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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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with gene and chris we're happy to

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welcome aborted show

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after these many years trying to get

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them on we've found the right

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circumstances the right book and the

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right time to welcome whitley strieber

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to the power cast glad to talk to you

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well i'm very glad to be on at last it's

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been a while

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i think it's a perfect time and

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and this book kind of fits in some of

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the discussions we've been having

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as chris will explain as we proceed

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uh i don't know if you're familiar with

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a book called eric well that's

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illuminations

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anomalous books

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no i don't know okay chris will tell you

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about it i think it might be something

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you'll really want to read and like what

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you're doing here

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now before we get on obviously you've

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been associated with a number of

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genre

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movies and books over the years and i'm

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a big sci-fi fan you know i watch almost

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everything on the sci-fi network

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yeah i watch the comic book shows

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you've got a tv show coming out called

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hunters hunters yeah on sci-fi channel

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tell our listeners about that

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well hunters is being produced by gail

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ann hurd who of course is famous for the

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walking dead the incredible hulk and

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any number of other ultra high-end

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thingies shows and movies

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the show runner that is to say the

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person who really created the series

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this who wrote the scripts and worked on

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the scripts and everything

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is natalie chadez who also did 12

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monkeys for sci-fi

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the show is i think quite amazing i've

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weeks ago and watched the wrap of the

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show the last week of production

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and it's

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terribly exciting it's based

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roughly i would say

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on my alien hunter series of novels

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the premise being

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that alien criminals have come here to

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exploit human beings in

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high-tech ways that we can't even hardly

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begin to understand

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alien police have followed them and have

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teamed up

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with police here on earth to track them

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down and catch them and prevent them

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from doing this this is the basic theme

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natalie

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takes that theme

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rewires it pretzels it

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and turns it into something

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think that it's going to be a success

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it's just uh

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an absolutely

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and brilliantly beautifully acted show

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and it is a i i'm excited i think it's

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going to be

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really uh a big success for sci-fi i

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hope it is because then it would be a

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big success for me too and that would be

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very nice it would indeed can you name

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some of the actors maybe we recognize

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julian mcmahon is in hunters

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and it's a he does a

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terrific job

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a sort of unhinged version

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of my main character who is also fairly

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unhinged actually

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extremely strong and

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he's going to be i think he's going to

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brittany oldford brittany olford yeah

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and nathan phillips

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okay let's just talk about them okay

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so julian mcmahon is gonna be in it and

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he plays uh mccarthy a sort of unhinged

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version of

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my hunter my main hunter uh in in my

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brittany oldford is

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is an is a very interesting take on a

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character in my books called diana

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and i'm not going to go into why

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she's so interesting

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she will convince you

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without any makeup without any rubber of

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any kind

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more than anyone has ever on television

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that she is really an alien it's an

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amazing acting job

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and that almost sounds scary

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it is scary it's wonderfully scary she's

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she's she's just very powerful i mean

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the whole show is amazing it's a real

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breakthrough for sci-fi i think i hope

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yeah i'm not a big sci-fi uh channel fan

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but this one is catching my attention

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really fast

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well good keep catching everybody else

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catch your attention too

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now a large number of the sci-fi channel

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shows are filmed in canada and

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let's be frank about it's save on

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production costs compared to the usa

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but in this case the team for hunters

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as you explained earlier and maybe you

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can give us some more detail about it

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right now went to australia it was

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filmed in melbourne and i'll tell you

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we had planned at first to film it here

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we you know it's a tv series not a movie

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so you're not going to travel the whole

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operation from place to place unless you

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absolutely have to changes the whole

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budget picture dramatically

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which has a good solid infrastructure of

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sound stages and skilled professionals

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to make the series that has all of those

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different types of location within

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driving distance so that's where we

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australian cinema as well well it is it

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facilities available reflect that

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and it was it's a very cool place and uh

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now you've really tempted me

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well it that kind of brings up the

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question in my mind is is

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you know your effortless way of of going

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you know fantasy and and science fiction

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fiction uh horror and then having your

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the the real major cultural meme of the

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alien gray of course the the iconic

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do you find it difficult to be taken

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seriously in the non-fiction realm

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because you are so talented in the

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is it's interesting that i even got into

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i think there are two reasons i got into

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that for all people say about them and

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people love to be frightened

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and they love to hate especially to hate

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i'm i'm coming from this at a

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kind of bad time in my life because i

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went to a ufo conference over the

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weekend up in big bear california

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called the alien snow fest

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and a guy

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has spent some time talking to me

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then walks out

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and he thinks he's not seen i happen to

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be walking out right behind me proceeds

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to spit on my car

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and you know where is that coming from

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what what is that about i mean why the

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i have been through the ringer because

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of this but

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and but the visitors

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are very interested in preserving free

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this is in my opinion this is always my

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i don't even know what they are i'm not

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i'm not in the camp that says they're

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definitely aliens and knows what planet

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they're from and everything else i don't

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know what they are

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that's a good breaking point whitley let

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me do the break and then we'll continue

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with whitley strieber

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he's written with jeffrey cripel

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the supernatural which is the book we're

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next that we've moved away from the

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sci-fi world with gina and chris you're

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you know how things are in any case we

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welcome whitley strieber to the show and

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chris and he were focusing now on

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obviously the question about being this

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fiction writer and the fact writer

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and i wanted to ask you here because we

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don't have an endless amount of time and

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we have zillions of questions to ask

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in writing the supernatural

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can maybe and this is going to ask you a

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20-year question to refer to here

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whitley and that is

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from the days of communion to the days

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of supernatural

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where do you think you're thinking about

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the strange mysteries as god that is

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not a small question obviously it's now

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worth about three episodes but i just

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yeah i i just want to backtrack for a

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second and finish my answer to the

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previous question go ahead because i

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feel it's important

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and that is

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the visitors for whatever they are

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whether it's a negative presence a

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positive presence or a presence we don't

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understand which is what i think it is

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they have done one thing and very

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clearly which is

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they have kept this all open they chose

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me

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not carl sagan

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not some other authority they chose

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somebody who was articulate and could

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make their case and tell their story

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but who could also be rejected and

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disbelieved without any trouble a horror

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novel how where is my authority none

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zero

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also though

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in my family there is a deep connection

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to the roswell incident in that one of

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my uncles was involved in the process of

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recovering and working on the debris

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from roswell

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so they were already involved with the

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family in some way perhaps not

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in he never reported any close

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encounters or anything that i know of

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but

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we were somehow

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on their radar and that's why i think i

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ended up in this and i always think that

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if they had wanted to impose themselves

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on us

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they would have done it already they

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they hang back they sit quietly

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they don't step forward because they're

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letting us make our own way with

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something that is actually incredibly

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difficult

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for a whole lot of reasons

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yeah

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it's the evolution of your your

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work and your thinking

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has always sort of

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had this kind of hint that there's

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something

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deeply uh symbiotic almost or or

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reflective within the

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uh the history of this phenomenon and

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the way that cultural memes relating to

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this phenomenon have have

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have grown and evolved and separated out

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into sub-memes

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and it must be uh

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i don't know how how it would feel to be

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you know you

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and and being

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at the root of

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just a meme propagation that occurred uh

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when communion came out

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and one thing that that you've never

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done is really

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come right out and

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state that uh you know these visitors

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are one thing and they're another thing

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but um again i i've always felt this

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kind of evolution of your thinking

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throughout this and and i'm

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i'm just uh taken by by your new book uh

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with jeff jeffrey kreipel it's

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it's really highly suggestive of

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something

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that is being manifested for us by us

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but is also different and there's

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there's some

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external element that seems to be at

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play here or at work if you will well

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let's go back to the previous question

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the question

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was how has my thinking changed between

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communion and this book

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at supernatural and the answer is

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actually in my case not much what has

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changed however or what happened to me

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is that the

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media picked up on my book and i talked

481
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about this in supernatural they picked

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up on communion

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and ran with the idea of alien abductee

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whitley strieber

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rectal probe yuck yuck yuck let's laugh

486
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him off and get him out of here because

487
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he's scary and but mainly

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we have been lying to the public for

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years we know it and we want to do

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anything we can to continue that lie

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let's help the air force let's help the

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central intelligence agency let's do

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everything we can to make sure this

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cover-up stays in place so we won't

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get what we deserve which is to be

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totally discredited at every level

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they're not real they haven't been real

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for

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years the media i mean just and this is

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a blanket statement big blanket

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statement now as far as my thinking is

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concerned

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in the furnace piece of communion what

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was ignored by them and i was not

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effective i'm this is not entirely their

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fault i was not effective i tried hard

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but i could not get through what was

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ignored by them was

509
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this phrase the human mind winks back

510
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from the dark and it's terribly

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important communion is a book of

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perceptions not a book of claims and the

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subsequent books are two

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but they were taken to be

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me making a case for having actually

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been abducted by real aliens when in

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fact

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i don't know what happened i can tell

519
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you

520
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,159
there were physical side effects i can

521
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,880
tell you that there is an implant in my

522
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,679
left ear right now i can tell you when

523
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:53,600
it was implanted i can tell you all of

524
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,480
those things but what i can't tell you

525
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:58,640
is in the final sense

526
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who did it and what they did and why

527
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that i cannot tell you just very briefly

528
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maybe parenthetically whitley from time

529
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to time i've made this argument from a

530
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devil's advocate standpoint that maybe

531
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some so-called abductions are staged for

532
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a benefit or for the benefit of the us

533
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government and do not involve any

534
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alien or paranormal force

535
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who knows sure i wouldn't disagree that

536
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that isn't possible it's a big strange

537
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universe

538
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and we're just a small strange part of

539
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it so that sure that's possible what the

540
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motive would be would be another

541
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,760
question although when you look at this

542
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carefully and you spend time and i've

543
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been much deeper into this world than

544
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i'm

545
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keeping a secret but because it's beyond

546
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language it does not work you can't

547
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:55,520
explain some of this stuff it's

548
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:58,880
unexplainable in any case there is a

549
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,080
level of conflict in there somewhere

550
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:03,919
it appears

551
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,760
that somehow or another at some level

552
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some kind of i would hesitate to call it

553
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a battle

554
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,799
but there is

555
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,039
some kind of tension

556
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,080
a negative and a positive

557
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,240
vision of some sort

558
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,200
are

559
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unfolding

560
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,960
kind of in each other's faces

561
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,280
and what we see

562
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,039
is to some extent

563
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,360
a side effect of the friction between

564
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,440
them you know this is another one of

565
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,360
those intriguing possibilities let's get

566
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into it our next segment with whitley

567
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,159
strieber the book is the supernatural

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you're on with gene and chris you're in

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[Applause]

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i want to thank you whitley's trooper

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for one thing and i'm getting over this

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virus and it's been hard to concentrate

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and you've kept me alert you know i'm i

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have an excellent memory but i have

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never had a good memory for names

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i'd if anything it's gotten worse

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you see when i was a kid they called me

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names too but usually what they do is

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where i grew up the name steinberg

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should be fairly common in brooklyn new

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york you think

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you'd think except that i remember kids

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calling me hey schnitzelburger

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yeah but they were anti-semites

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that was part of it yeah yeah of course

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yeah

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they didn't know any better

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and when i went to the deep south i was

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working at radio stations and what they

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would do the sales manager at one

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station

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what took me to all the jewish merchants

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in northwest alabama hey here's this

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jewish guy from brooklyn new york

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ouch they're not going to touch that

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that's

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prejudice

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it's a crazy word let's go on chris

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well i have an interesting question here

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that i'd like to um to ask whitley uh

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whitley we have a question thread at

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forum.paracast.com

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where

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really up to speed bright and very uh

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intuitive and and

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extremely smart listeners i must say

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i learn a lot just by tuning into our

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own forums and i i do have kind of a

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bit of a background in this whole

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subject area but

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we do have quite a number of questions

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for you and one of the questions caught

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my attention

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and it comes from psychedelic alchemist

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um who's been a forum poster uh for

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almost three years now

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and he has

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he mentions that he recently read a

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short passage in john mack's passport to

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the cosmos that caught his attention and

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it stated that you had been on a path uh

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to personal transformation through the

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ger jeff foundation coupled with intense

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meditation before you became aware of

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your visitor experiences so here's his

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as he calls it chicken and the egg

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question do you feel that gurjev's your

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good jeff work was a catalyst for your

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experiences

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trigger your interest in a quest for

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transformation that's the first question

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okay well let's not go to the second

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question

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let me first get to this one

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both things are true in this sense i i'm

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pretty sure some extraordinary things

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happen to me when i was a child

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at the very least

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i was in some kind of a program as a

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very small child

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at randolph air force base that was for

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whatever reason extremely traumatic

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i know it existed

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because a friend of mine a very close

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friend to this day

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was recruited for it

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his parents

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were approached by a couple from the air

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force

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to recruit him for it and he was

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actually sitting in the living room

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listening to the conversation when the

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recruitment effort was made

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they mentioned the skinner box

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and

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his parents showed them the door

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unfortunately my parents either they

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didn't know what that was or they did

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not show them the door

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and i was terribly traumatized

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i think the trauma cracked the cosmic

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egg and made my mind accessible to

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things that aren't supposed to be real

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that we normally just filter out so i

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was open to this and maybe i had

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visitor experiences as a child i

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remember some things that suggest that

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as i put in my book the secret school

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yeah

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secret school actually you go into quite

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a bit of detail about that oh yeah but

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here's the problem an adult mind looking

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back on childhood memories and filling

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in the blanks

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is that accurate or not there's no way

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to tell there are a few little things in

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that book though that are accurate and

786
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that i i can talk about in just a minute

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now let's go forward though to the next

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part of the question which is very

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important and which is one i'm almost

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never asked because i don't make much of

791
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a thing about having been in the gurji

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foundation and being in it

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i am heavily involved however in gurjeep

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work and have been for nearly 50 years

795
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that is a huge part of my close

796
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,200
encounter experience because

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the language of the work

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and the language of the visitors that

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they chose to with which they chose to

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address me

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are the same

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and i understood

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what their approach to me meant

804
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because of my involvement in the work it

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was a very important

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part of it

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if i hadn't been in the work

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i would have been completely at sea i

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never would have understood

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to the depth that i have been able to

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understand anything close to it

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and the reason is this

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there are a couple of ideas in the

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gergief work

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the idea of the law of three and the law

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of seven which were

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addressed in my experience with the

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visitors numerous times and you'll find

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if you look in transformation an

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analysis of an event involving

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the works understanding of the law of

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the gajifworks understanding of the law

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of three and the way the visitors used

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it to express themselves to me

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now that was one thing

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another thing is

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that

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in the foundation and in mr gerjeev's

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work

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it's not like some

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airy fairy meditation process it's work

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that's that word is used for a lot of

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very good reasons

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and

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friction

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is central the experience of inner

837
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friction

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uh having encounters that are

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laden with friction in

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the context of your work

841
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etc and so forth

842
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so when the visitors brought me friction

843
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i reacted to it

844
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not by withdrawing in horror

845
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but by absorbing it and making use of it

846
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in

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my

848
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work

849
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,279
because i knew how

850
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,120
to do it and that's why people say to me

851
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,559
well they did this and that awful thing

852
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,799
to you how can you possibly think that

853
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,760
they are

854
00:34:03,269 --> 00:33:59,840
anything except evil

855
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,279
and here's my answer i benefited from

856
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,480
that friction i grew because of it well

857
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,119
you absorb the static uh discharge

858
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,800
that you get from friction friction yeah

859
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,440
exactly so if they were if they were

860
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,679
good or evil i don't even care i'm not

861
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,000
even interested in going down that path

862
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,720
what i meant to am interested in is can

863
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,679
i benefit or not and i could in these

864
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,320
cases very much so

865
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,040
so yes and yes

866
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,720
the gergieff work was crucial to my

867
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:35,040
ability to work with the visitors

868
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,919
and

869
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,879
my childhood experiences undoubtedly

870
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,520
were also part of a preparation

871
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,320
which

872
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,359
is a life preparation no question in my

873
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,079
mind about it i was probably on some

874
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,240
level maybe that not even the visitors

875
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,879
understand fully being prepared for this

876
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,599
from a young age

877
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,240
well you know that might explain why

878
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:00,880
people who haven't had the background

879
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,560
um and people who haven't done the work

880
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,760
shall we say in this particular example

881
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,000
are so overwhelmed and bewildered by

882
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,079
what they consider to be an abduction

883
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:14,400
experience that they they react to in

884
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,200
most

885
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,480
you know cases

886
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,720
uh from from a fearful

887
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,960
uh almost like victimized uh point of

888
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,000
view and yeah someone with a background

889
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,640
in uh meditation and doing

890
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,520
work especially the kind of sufi tinged

891
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,599
work that gurjeev had

892
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,839
would be i think less

893
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,680
inclined to be terrified and be able to

894
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,079
embrace it a little bit more more to it

895
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,640
i mean they they came into my life and

896
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,800
beat the dickens out of me

897
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,280
by so doing finally waking me up to

898
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,640
their presence

899
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,640
uh i they they had been

900
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,800
trying to get through to me at least

901
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,920
since the

902
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,960
previous october uh in uh

903
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,520
when this happened in december of 85

904
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,920
and finally in december of 85 they just

905
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hauled off and beat me beat the dickens

906
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,560
out of me until i finally

907
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broke through and realized they were

908
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there

909
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,280
and at all because i was filtering them

910
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:13,040
out like we all do

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00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,160
and

912
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yeah i what i thought was after i i

913
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eventually became clear to me that

914
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somebody

915
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was there and had done this and that

916
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they didn't look to me to be

917
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anything like what i would call human i

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thought to myself

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wow

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i'm not going to hide from this

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i'm going to go out in the woods and see

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what happens

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let's do the break here and go on with

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that we have whitley strieber co-author

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of the supernatural you're on with gene

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hi this is tracy tormey screenwriter

1024
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producer you're listening to paracast

1025
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,589
let's continue with whitley streeper on

1026
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,319
the power cast whitley you

1027
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,760
were in the middle of a very important

1028
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,680
answer to a question and a comment and

1029
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,359
why don't you continue

1030
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,480
well i mean they beat me up i eventually

1031
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,280
figured out that this had been something

1032
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,839
real and that it was no normal

1033
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,680
experience it could not be explained

1034
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,960
away and so my choices were these

1035
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,960
did i hide from it

1036
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,680
move back to the city leave my cabin

1037
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,920
maybe go to a psychiatrist or try to

1038
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,119
work it out in a more conventional way

1039
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280
did i just ignore it

1040
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,359
did i join a

1041
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,599
ufo abductee group and sit around saying

1042
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,280
how horrible they are and how dreadful

1043
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,000
what they did to me was etc cetera

1044
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,680
or go for it

1045
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:07,040
i went for it i saw what they had done

1046
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,079
i saw

1047
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,560
the way i could use

1048
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,599
the trauma and the friction of it in my

1049
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,920
inner work in my gergie related inner

1050
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,880
work because i'd done that in for years

1051
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,720
at that point for 15 years in the

1052
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,920
foundation

1053
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,040
i had been

1054
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,520
working going against myself and working

1055
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,920
in all kinds of different ways never as

1056
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,560
intensely as this i mean boy i'm telling

1057
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,280
you

1058
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,079
15 minutes with the 15 seconds with the

1059
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,839
visitors 15 years in the work

1060
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,920
believe me it ain't easy

1061
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,319
you know when you were talking briefly

1062
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,200
in passing about so-called ufo abduction

1063
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,720
groups and we know

1064
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,240
that there are some abduction

1065
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,920
researchers out there and i'll mention

1066
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,160
one because when we had him on the show

1067
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,920
we had people

1068
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,280
going berserk

1069
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,839
and that was dr david jacobs and his

1070
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,839
point of view being that

1071
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:01,680
the aliens because he thinks their

1072
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,280
aliens are creating this human hybrid

1073
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,720
hubrid

1074
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,319
race it's going to eventually take us

1075
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,560
over that et is here to take us over

1076
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,480
which sounds more like the sci-fi novel

1077
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,160
than anything

1078
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,160
well how to approach that

1079
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,079
how do i approach it as being an

1080
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,720
unlikely possibility but at the same

1081
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,680
time

1082
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:23,599
if they are here

1083
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,200
if there are aliens here on that level

1084
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,280
and there are something is here on that

1085
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,599
level i'm not so sure they're aliens as

1086
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,000
we conventionally understand them

1087
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,200
but

1088
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,119
i wouldn't be at all surprised if they

1089
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,480
weren't affecting the human genome but

1090
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
probably in ways that we don't fully

1091
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,760
understand and i'll tell you why

1092
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,160
one thing that we are doing to ourselves

1093
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,319
right now is we are deciding we don't

1094
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have souls

1095
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,720
we are

1096
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,400
on a path

1097
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,200
to soul blindness it sounds to me like

1098
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,640
you've been watching the republican

1099
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presidential debates

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i don't follow politics much

1101
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,720
although i will tell you what will

1102
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happen in this campaign

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in all likelihood if bernie sanders

1104
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wins and

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one of the

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far-right republicans wins

1107
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then

1108
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bloomberg will join will enter the race

1109
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,520
there will be a three-way race

1110
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,760
there will be a

1111
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tie in the electoral college in the

1112
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sense that no

1113
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,800
one candidate will get a majority in the

1114
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,119
electoral college and it will be up to

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congress to decide who the next

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president is

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and

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congress will have

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be able to choose from among the three

1120
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candidates they will choose bloomberg

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so

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uh that is probably what will happen i

1123
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,280
think you heard it here

1124
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first if things continue the way they

1125
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,800
are that's what will happen because i

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have a

1127
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:52,000
unless hillary clinton can

1128
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,880
win

1129
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,200
and it's a if it's a fight between ted

1130
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:56,960
cruz and hillary clinton

1131
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,920
are uh ted cruz hillary clinton

1132
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,680
clinton will win easily

1133
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,040
trump clinton clinton probably will win

1134
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,359
uh if it's just bernie sanders versus

1135
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:09,520
ted cruz or donald trump it's anybody's

1136
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,480
guess

1137
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,520
so

1138
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,680
let's not talk politics and as far as

1139
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,319
who should win i have no

1140
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,760
desire to say anything about that

1141
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,680
publicly that's not my

1142
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,560
brief no no dog in the fight and i have

1143
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,319
no dog in the fight no

1144
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,839
well it's i think uh more than most more

1145
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,920
than any election really in the past 40

1146
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:31,920
years this is definitely the year of the

1147
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,680
outsider no question well yeah so far

1148
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,560
uh

1149
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,160
by the way with regard to hillary

1150
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,800
clinton and disclosure

1151
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,160
since i'm sure that some of the

1152
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,599
listeners are thinking about that now

1153
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,359
that this has been brought up right

1154
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,880
remember what she said

1155
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,640
she did not say

1156
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,400
uh i will

1157
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,480
disclose the truth

1158
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,319
about ufos like

1159
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,520
like uh jimmy carter said until he got

1160
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,119
the air force got a hold of him and shut

1161
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,040
him up for the rest of his life

1162
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,800
i would think

1163
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,599
she said i will get to the bottom of it

1164
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,560
that may or may not mean she will say

1165
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,359
what she found at the bottom of it

1166
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,440
well it also sounds like it's

1167
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,720
placating the voter

1168
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,520
it's a it's a bid for some votes because

1169
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,400
there is a constituency of a few million

1170
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,280
people

1171
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,280
who will vote for a candidate who

1172
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,119
promises disclosure and that could be

1173
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,400
the tipping point

1174
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,040
it's it's a small group maybe a million

1175
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,960
maybe less they probably know exactly

1176
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,359
how many the candidates but when bernie

1177
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,880
sanders was asked about it he was very

1178
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,319
flip about it he just ignored it he

1179
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:39,920
thought it was ridiculous

1180
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,839
we still have john podesta well now

1181
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,680
you know are we ready for the kind of

1182
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:48,880
disclosure that john podesta wants

1183
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,240
uh it ain't gonna happen george h.w bush

1184
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,920
last

1185
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,400
said

1186
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,480
he told the truth

1187
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,720
however briefly

1188
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,319
and probably by accident since he's 91

1189
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,480
he said

1190
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,119
the public's not ready for this

1191
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,960
and that is the truth the public's not

1192
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,640
ready for this the visitors said to phil

1193
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,839
corso

1194
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,760
what's on offer is a new world if you

1195
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,520
can take it

1196
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,839
how can we take it i mean look it out

1197
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:22,319
there uh david jacobs

1198
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,560
let me tell you what would happen

1199
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,800
if the kind of disclosure that leslie

1200
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:27,680
keane

1201
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,359
and john podesta their good friends

1202
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,359
and the disclosure people long for

1203
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,400
happened

1204
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,280
if

1205
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:36,800
say some

1206
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,400
middle level person at jpl said

1207
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,880
yes we have seen some objects that could

1208
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,520
be intelligently controlled

1209
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:48,160
within 48 hours there would be a

1210
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,359
question

1211
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,040
or at the next presidential press

1212
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,119
conference

1213
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,440
uh it has been admitted

1214
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,040
that there are

1215
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,119
craft out there possibly under conte

1216
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,440
intelligent control what about the

1217
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,280
abductions

1218
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,520
because that's where everyone will go

1219
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,119
immediately

1220
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,599
and all of a sudden

1221
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,040
the media

1222
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,800
when when the president says well we

1223
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,880
don't know anything about that or

1224
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,960
we're not sure that's even happening the

1225
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:18,800
media is going to run

1226
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:23,440
not walk to the most sensationalistic

1227
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,559
most

1228
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,160
scary

1229
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,839
most ratings producing possible

1230
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,520
abduction people

1231
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,599
and all of a sudden people like david

1232
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,720
jacobs

1233
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,440
will have not an audience of 300 people

1234
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,160
at a ufo conference but an audience of

1235
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,000
50 million people

1236
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,359
all of a sudden

1237
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,359
is that going to work out it's not going

1238
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,280
to work out is the answer

1239
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,200
and i think the visitors know that very

1240
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,400
well

1241
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,800
and so it's i think it's highly unlikely

1242
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,240
that there will be disclosure because i

1243
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,000
don't think that we have anything to do

1244
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,920
much with whether or not there is

1245
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,480
disclosure i think it's up to them

1246
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,079
how much of this secret do you think the

1247
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,319
government really knows if anything i

1248
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,599
don't think they know as much as we'd

1249
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,839
like to believe i think they know there

1250
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,839
are objects flying around and they

1251
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,920
probably do have some materials because

1252
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,520
my uncle mickey said they did and he was

1253
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,280
there general exon

1254
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,559
uh arthur ekson who was also there told

1255
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,680
me in great detail about it so yeah

1256
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,440
they've got materials

1257
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:26,400
and uh robert sauerbacher the meddler

1258
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,680
just said that

1259
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,640
it told me a little bit about it too

1260
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,480
so that he had worked on some of these

1261
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,040
materials apparently that jesse marcel

1262
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,040
and so forth gathered and that went to

1263
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,200
right field and then into the metallurgy

1264
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,400
community

1265
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,480
so yeah they have materials maybe they

1266
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,079
have bodies i don't know that's

1267
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,559
certainly possible i wouldn't i mean if

1268
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,319
if something crashed and somebody was in

1269
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,520
it

1270
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,680
probably they do have bodies i had a

1271
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,079
fabulous couple of people on the radio

1272
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,720
program the other week about the aztec

1273
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,160
ufo crash scott ramsey yeah i mean they

1274
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,720
were awesome they they really have done

1275
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,400
their homework

1276
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,559
though and uh so

1277
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,480
yeah i think it's possible they do know

1278
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,040
a lot about it but here's the here's the

1279
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,880
problem

1280
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:14,880
it gets back to my comment earlier about

1281
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,119
us losing losing going soul blind

1282
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,119
we don't believe in the soul but let me

1283
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,520
tell you something it exists

1284
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:24,800
it's real

1285
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,400
it's why we're here and not only that

1286
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,880
in the level of second body

1287
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,680
which is what we call the soul

1288
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:34,880
there is

1289
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,720
an elaborate world and this is the core

1290
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,520
part of the core of supernatural

1291
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,240
a real world we're embedded in it in the

1292
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,079
physical the physical is much smaller

1293
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,119
than than this other world and not only

1294
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,800
that it is

1295
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,000
richly endowed with technologies that we

1296
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:56,079
can't even begin to imagine or

1297
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,280
understand

1298
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,160
and the more we deny it the more we

1299
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,680
ensure that we cannot make real progress

1300
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,640
as a species and that the new world on

1301
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,520
offer is one that we cannot take

1302
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,680
sounds like a world of self-discovery

1303
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,359
and we'll get into more

1304
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,000
of that quest with whitley strieber

1305
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,720
co-author of supernatural

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let me remind you listeners we have that

1307
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1311
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:43,910
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1349
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1350
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1358
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1360
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1361
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[Music]

1366
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,670
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1367
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,359
standard of paranormal radio

1368
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1369
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,589
whitley streeper is with us

1370
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,920
and we're talking about

1371
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,920
i guess discovering

1372
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,920
a wider world around us it sounds

1373
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,720
sweetly when you talk about it here is

1374
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:25,280
we're living here with tunnel vision

1375
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,559
or we have 2100 vision

1376
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,760
and we somehow need to get 2020. yeah

1377
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:34,000
that's that's accurate but at the same

1378
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
time

1379
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,520
how do we get that how do we do this and

1380
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,359
where do we go

1381
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,400
well as a culture the western world is

1382
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:44,319
going in the wrong direction

1383
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,800
and if you look at the world in general

1384
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,480
we have been trying

1385
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,880
to address the meaning

1386
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,280
of what jeff and i call the super

1387
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,960
natural two words for all of our history

1388
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,000
if you look back across the human past

1389
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:03,200
it is a rubble of gods

1390
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:04,000
and

1391
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,839
who have been fighting over which god is

1392
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:11,040
true

1393
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,800
except for greed probably more people

1394
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,640
have been killed in the name of religion

1395
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,359
and

1396
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,920
you know one societal control mechanism

1397
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,160
versus another than than any other cause

1398
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:22,960
in human history undoubtedly

1399
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,240
well what happens is we see these things

1400
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,640
and they have an immense impact on us

1401
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,040
and not necessarily a negative one well

1402
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,559
for example

1403
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,720
uh saint paul

1404
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,359
sees the light or something

1405
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,760
on the road to damascus it transforms

1406
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,040
his being

1407
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,680
he becomes an advocate for that which he

1408
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:45,839
had been trying to destroy

1409
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:49,280
complete reversal and he changes the

1410
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,799
world on the basis of a flash of light

1411
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:55,280
but how does he change it

1412
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:59,440
he changes it in a very specific way

1413
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:00,319
he

1414
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,839
is important to god prior to saint paul

1415
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,440
the only people who were important to

1416
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,040
god were the leaders

1417
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:13,760
the emperor got to become a deity got

1418
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,200
deified but the average guy the average

1419
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,599
aristocrat got a nice tomb and the

1420
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,480
average grunt working in some mine

1421
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,960
slaving for the romans died and was

1422
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,280
forgotten and became part of the earth

1423
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,359
again and didn't even matter but

1424
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
suddenly there is this one man walking

1425
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,839
from city to city across the

1426
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,079
mediterranean basin

1427
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,200
saying walking out an unknown man in the

1428
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,720
middle of these cities and saying that

1429
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,880
you do matter to god

1430
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,559
you do matter and you must love each

1431
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,040
other and you must be compassionate

1432
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,599
because god cares and god is interested

1433
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,559
in you

1434
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,680
then fast forward 300 years here comes

1435
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:56,720
saint augustine another hell-raiser who

1436
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,079
suddenly has a conversion he proceeds to

1437
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,480
write the city of god the most important

1438
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,480
book in the history of western

1439
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,440
thought

1440
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,960
it is the most important book in the

1441
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,760
history of western thought because it

1442
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:12,400
identifies the individual and the

1443
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,000
borders of the individual and says that

1444
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,400
every individual is important the

1445
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,960
founding fathers had read it carefully

1446
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,720
you can see it reflected in the

1447
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,559
declaration of independence and the

1448
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,280
constitution that and much masonic

1449
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:30,079
literature which also reflects the city

1450
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,520
of god so

1451
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,240
yeah we maybe we don't get it right with

1452
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,799
our religions but we get it somewhat

1453
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,359
right every time what jeff and i want to

1454
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,839
do we are saying is now it's possible to

1455
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:43,440
go beyond that

1456
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,440
and to look at this presence objectively

1457
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,760
we have the academic tools to look at

1458
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:52,160
its at its influence in our world across

1459
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,760
the past we have the scientific tools to

1460
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,720
look at how it functions in our world

1461
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,680
now

1462
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:02,720
instead of saying oh ghosts aren't real

1463
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:06,640
aliens or bs etc etc let's say this

1464
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,319
there are people reporting these effects

1465
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:13,200
so what are they reporting let's look

1466
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,400
and see

1467
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,839
instead of saying

1468
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,680
because it doesn't fit

1469
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,760
our very narrow

1470
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,880
newtonian world view which obviously is

1471
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,599
not true it's not untrue it's not it's

1472
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,520
not completely accurate

1473
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:29,920
if it it doesn't fit that

1474
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:32,720
then let's see what it is let's take a

1475
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,240
look why not and it is tremendous

1476
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,599
resistance

1477
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,400
in the scientific community and in the

1478
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,720
academic community to just taking an

1479
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,200
objective look at it we have the tools

1480
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,839
we certainly do and and this leads me to

1481
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,000
i think a very good question for this

1482
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,760
point in the conversation uh that's

1483
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,079
posted by william stratham

1484
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,839
and he says mr strieber i've read that

1485
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,319
you're a practicing catholic and even if

1486
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,559
not perhaps you care to respond

1487
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,640
for background the new testament book of

1488
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,520
acts chapter 26 verse 18

1489
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,319
says jesus sent paul to turn people from

1490
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,480
quote darkness to light and from the

1491
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:12,799
power of satan to god unquote

1492
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,280
now your work of imagining and writing

1493
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,359
horror stories like night church about

1494
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,119
satanists meeting in the catholic church

1495
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,720
in queens

1496
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,640
surely must have had some sort of impact

1497
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,119
on your life and he's wondering

1498
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:27,839
do you think your imaginary work on dark

1499
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,760
novels exposed you to something real and

1500
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,920
if so what is the relationship in the

1501
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,720
supernatural world as you and jeffrey uh

1502
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,880
talk about what is the relationship

1503
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,599
between jesus and satan that dichotomy

1504
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,520
and the strange communion entities

1505
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,319
you've reported and he goes on to ask

1506
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,000
about you know do you think satan is an

1507
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,599
external agent

1508
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,160
uh or merely a human mental construct

1509
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,799
and at some point i think mike clelland

1510
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,400
in his recent book on owls and

1511
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,079
synchronicity said that

1512
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,520
that you believe that grace was

1513
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,920
submitted to god why do you believe that

1514
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,520
is this all grounded through kind of a

1515
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:05,680
judeo-christian thing or

1516
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,119
well again it's a complex question

1517
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,400
i just interviewed mike clelland uh on

1518
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,480
dreamland a couple weeks ago

1519
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:16,160
about his book and it was quite a good

1520
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,440
interview he's an interesting

1521
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:19,920
interesting man yes we had him on a few

1522
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,319
weeks ago too yeah so

1523
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,000
uh and he's got a lot to say in that

1524
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,559
book that's worth reading so

1525
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,240
now i'm going to

1526
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,880
simplify this question in my response to

1527
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,920
it

1528
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,559
i am a believer

1529
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,160
in jesus

1530
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,880
not necessarily in the same way the

1531
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,040
catholics or the christians are

1532
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,520
but i think that jesus

1533
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,040
had a special role to play in this world

1534
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,520
i don't understand it i don't know where

1535
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,160
he came from i don't know if he even

1536
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,200
knew the role he was playing but he

1537
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,000
played it and saint paul did too

1538
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,640
saint paul drew a lot of his

1539
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,079
ritual

1540
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,200
ideas for the mass and so forth out of

1541
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,720
the mithraic

1542
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,040
tradition he was from tarsus which is

1543
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,640
the city of the bull

1544
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,440
which is the also the place where the

1545
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,359
mythic religion was centered it was at

1546
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,359
the time a secret religion

1547
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,119
he switched it to the blood of the lamb

1548
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,799
basically right he blood of the lamb

1549
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,640
instead of the blood of the bull he's

1550
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,480
giving a message there

1551
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,960
he's saying it's not a bull that we're

1552
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:29,440
concerned about it's ourselves

1553
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:32,559
in the context of peace he is building

1554
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,160
his ritual against the mithraic ritual

1555
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,319
it's also adopting certain precepts so

1556
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:41,359
that he could get more adherence quickly

1557
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,319
well of course later on in fact uh i

1558
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,040
believe it was tertullian who wrote in

1559
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,280
his piece contra celsus we don't have

1560
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:50,799
the works of celsius they were all

1561
01:01:55,030 --> 01:01:51,760
burned

1562
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:55,040
by the christians but in contra celsus

1563
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:55,839
he

1564
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,680
mentions that it is claimed that paul

1565
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,240
took christian ritual from

1566
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,839
the methoric ritual i believe it's in

1567
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,280
contra celsus

1568
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,359
and i think that tertullian was the

1569
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,359
first to actually propose time travel

1570
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:12,400
suggesting that satan had had traveled

1571
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:15,119
back in time in order to confuse the

1572
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,079
issue

1573
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,040
and uh to make it seem as if the

1574
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:21,920
mithraic ritual had preceded the mass

1575
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,559
now that kind of confusion is inevitable

1576
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,799
when people are trying to

1577
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,520
to

1578
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:30,160
promote and forward a system of beliefs

1579
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,520
well that's the ultimate back

1580
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,640
engineering

1581
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,640
yeah in the end

1582
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:36,720
what do i believe

1583
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,520
i don't really believe anything i

1584
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,280
believe the question

1585
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:42,480
as i said

1586
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:45,040
jesus was something important but i as

1587
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,040
to what it was or whether or not he even

1588
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:49,359
knew it is a matter of open question for

1589
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,079
me

1590
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,160
who paul was and what really happened to

1591
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:54,960
him is a matter of open question

1592
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,680
i will not go so far

1593
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,200
as to say

1594
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,000
that the interpretations that followed

1595
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,799
that gave rise to christian religion

1596
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,000
are correct

1597
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,079
i wouldn't say that about any religion

1598
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,119
about islam about any religion i will

1599
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,559
note that a being of light was in the

1600
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,359
cave with muhammad supposedly that it

1601
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,400
was a flash of light or or experience

1602
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:21,839
with light

1603
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:24,880
uh that affected saint paul and there

1604
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,079
are so many other instances of light

1605
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,520
in in in human life the burning bush

1606
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that have had a tremendous effect on

1607
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human culture

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we have whitley strieber

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co-author of the supernatural with gene

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and chris and whitley was in the midst

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of an answer i do want you to continue

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yeah beans of light burning bushes uh

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that's real riveting stuff if you're uh

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into

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old testament kind of descriptions we

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can conclude from these incidents of

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light throughout the history of the

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human species

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that light

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has something to do

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with the formation and evolution

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of culture

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and takes us in the direction of belief

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and in the case of the christian world

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in the direction of the value of the

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individual

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which is at the core

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of western civilization this is why

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humanism i mean that's you know yes yes

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exactly

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well willie you know you are sitting at

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a quincunx of meme propagation

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and you know you're grounding this in i

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think

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languaging and terms that uh the average

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person in the west can understand but

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someone who wants to play devil's

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advocate would say uh well that was the

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middle east and uh

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you know these beings of light could

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have been you know one of uh 12

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different types of gin you know there's

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a whole incredible pantheon of

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paranormal entities that exist in in in

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the middle east uh in the traditions and

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mythology of the middle east

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and so you know what we're looking at is

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something obviously that is

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cross-cultural in nation in in nature

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and it also

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you're using descriptions from one

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culture to another that all seem to be

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indicating the same thing how does it

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feel to be someone that's sitting there

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uh

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being at a very crucial juncture

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of how these things are being manifested

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from the ancient times and now are being

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manifested in modern times let's look at

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them objectively that's what i'm about i

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am about not saying not identifying them

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aliens gin ghosts spirits this angels

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demons everyone wants my guys to be the

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demons and the angels to be somebody

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01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,199
else but i want to remind

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anyone who's thinking in those in that

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direction what rainier maria rilke said

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in his eighth elegy

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every angel is terrible and what makes

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the angels so terrible is that the angel

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01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:42,560
looks into your soul and takes your

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consciousness with him into places you

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find it very very hard to go

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so when you tell me well an angel would

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be beautiful

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i come back and i say

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you can expect an angel to be very

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dangerous

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very

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dangerous

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and that's exactly what the visitors

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were they were extremely dangerous in

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supernatural we go in a lot especially

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jeff

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into the whole idea of the dangerous

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sacred because i i went deep into this i

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i was deep into

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the rules and the life

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of the other world of the the world of

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second body

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and its rules are different from the

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rules of this world there aren't any

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illusions there

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it's not a world of illusion and as far

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as angels and demons are concerned

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those are energies and you take them as

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you will

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you make the angels you make the demons

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the energies are just energies

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as far as belief systems are concerned

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and gin and all of these things forget

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01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,239
it let's forget it let's step past it

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01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:56,880
and say there is something there

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we know that because of the way it

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affects us but let's not take that next

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step let's as jeff says in the book

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let's make the cut

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let's just not go to a decision about

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what it is

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we only say

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it is

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so in other words you're you're going

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beyond duality you're going

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beyond good and bad positive or negative

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01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,679
young or old you're looking at something

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01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,600
that's liminal let me read you the

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dedication to the book and it will

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01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,360
explain an awful lot about where i'm

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01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,520
going and where i'm coming from

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i dedicate this book to the memory of

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ann strieber we evolved our approach to

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the super natural together

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she contributed three foundational

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insights

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the first is that the close encounter

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experience is something unknown and must

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01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:49,440
be kept in question

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second that the question must be

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01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:53,440
deepened and can only be resolved by

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01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,560
scientific and academic inquiry it must

1838
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:58,719
no longer be dismissed with assumptions

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01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,520
beliefs and premature theorizing

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01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,840
third that after reading in excess of

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01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:06,719
200 000 testaments from the public about

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01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,600
close encounter experiences she was able

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to say with authority that close

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01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,000
encounters with apparent aliens often

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include perceptions of the dead as well

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01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:18,560
it is on her rigorous questioning and

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01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,679
tireless inquiry that my own insights

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01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,800
depend

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01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:25,440
and was a brilliant woman and

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01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,199
an expert when it came to turning

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beliefs back on themselves until they

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became questions and if i had not had

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her at my side i would not have been

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able to go down the path i've gone down

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and i'll tell you why we're here what

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01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:44,960
the supernatural is really all about

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01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:48,239
if the visitors do want

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01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,800
to emerge more clearly into our level

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01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,640
they have not been able to do that

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because there has been no place

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01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,560
for the intellectual cultures to turn to

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01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,040
there's been no place for them to go

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01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,040
where are they going to go to the

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01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,040
following saucer stories of the alien

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01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:09,199
abduction horror stories

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01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,719
there's not enough there there's no

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01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,640
substance there there's no there there

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01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,199
but the supernatural does is it offers

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01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,199
them a ground

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01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:19,760
to begin questioning this

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01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:23,600
and that is if there is disclosure now

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01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:26,719
there is a place for them to turn to

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01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,679
start

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working

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01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,679
to make this all come into some sort of

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01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,360
focus in the future

1877
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,920
a new world if you can take it we're not

1878
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,440
going to be able to take it with the

1879
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:39,760
alien abduction stories and the confused

1880
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:43,840
flying saucer rumors but we can

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01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,520
if we use our tools of academic and

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01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:49,440
scientific inquiry

1883
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,640
to look carefully at what we already

1884
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,560
have available to us

1885
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:56,239
the bodies of the close encounter

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01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,440
witnesses

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and the perhaps the information that the

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01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,480
government has in its hands from there

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01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,480
we start to build our side of a

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01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,400
relationship yeah and that sounds great

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01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,640
in theory uh whitley but the bottom line

1892
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,800
is right now in the reality

1893
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,800
of the situation is that you have a lot

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01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:13,920
of people

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01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,120
in in my estimation formulating a new

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01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,360
religion for the 21st century based on

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01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,199
aliens not some sort of divine

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01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,199
connection that each of us have with the

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divine and what we're seeing is a lot of

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01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,920
uh hoaxes

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01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,159
a lot of pop culture just total

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01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:32,800
misinformation disinformation it's a

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01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,920
catch-22 the more this evolves into a

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01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:38,159
pop culture sort of realm a very

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01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,440
superficial realm the less likely it is

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01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,199
for academia and the scientific

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01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,520
community to want to be involved this is

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01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:48,239
third rail subject matter right now and

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01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,040
unless the visitors for lack of a better

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01:15:56,910 --> 01:15:53,760
term make themselves known

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it is going to continue down the road of

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disenfranchisement marginalization

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01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,320
we're pushing the scientific community

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and the academic community and the

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01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,360
philosophic wonderful wisdom that we

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01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,440
have in our cultures uh we're pushing

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01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,440
them away from the subject matter and a

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book like yours is very interesting

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01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:16,560
because what it does is it creates that

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01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,000
pop culture phenomenon in in many ways

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01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,960
so i i'd like to uh know what we can do

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to attract the scientific and academic

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01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:26,320
communities

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01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,840
to this uh very very important issue

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01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:32,000
with gene and chris you're in the

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thank you for listening to gcn

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fish oils but what about the presence of

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heavy metals pcbs dioxins furons and

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[Music]

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hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of ad after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

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01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,120
so as we wrapped up our last segment

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with whitley strieber chris was asking

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a long question with a comment whitley

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well the question he was asking is

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basically

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what can we do

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01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,679
to

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01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,239
take this whole subject

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01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,360
out of pop culture and place it into the

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hands of the intellectual culture

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01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,400
and the answer is we can't we can't do

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that it's not doable

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01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:42,719
the visitors have to do it if they want

2045
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,040
to and they feel a need to and that's

2046
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:46,480
something important to them i have no

2047
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:47,520
idea

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01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:49,840
but what supernatural and the book

2049
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,120
before it a solving communicate is they

2050
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,520
give a ground to the intellectual

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01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,639
culture

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01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,400
which if you read through him the two

2053
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,719
books it's a blueprint of where to start

2054
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:01,760
with this

2055
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,159
but nobody is going to do that

2056
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,520
unless

2057
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,520
something else happens

2058
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:09,760
there has to be that

2059
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,480
tiny little bit of disclosure that i

2060
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:14,239
talked about earlier

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01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:15,040
and

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01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:16,159
now

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01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,760
instead of

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01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,760
the media running to the

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01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,199
white house and saying what about the

2066
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,679
abductions when that will happen but

2067
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:25,440
when it does happen

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01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,880
the answer can be well we don't know yet

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01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,320
but there are

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01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:31,760
scientific

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01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:35,679
and academic directions that we can take

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01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,440
to help us find out and we can

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01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,120
understand this

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01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,880
and that's the beginning

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01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,719
if we make that little tiny bit of

2076
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:47,040
disclosure that leslie keen is so hoping

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for

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and then this all unfolds it's all going

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to unfold on our side of the fence the

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01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,600
visitors will remain entirely silent

2081
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,920
they will be passive to this

2082
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,679
they're not going to land on the white

2083
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,080
house lawn or go past in a flying saucer

2084
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,800
waving at people there might be an

2085
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,280
increase in presences where they show

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01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,639
themselves in

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01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,560
lights in the sky and whatnot that's

2088
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,040
possible as we go along

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01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,320
but we have to take this it's not going

2090
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,080
to be given to us

2091
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,000
we have to go out there and take it we

2092
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,920
have to go to the bodies and the minds

2093
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:24,000
of the close encounter witnesses and

2094
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:27,760
study them properly with the right kind

2095
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,239
of scientific approach we have to go to

2096
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,920
the literature of the past and the

2097
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,239
descriptions dating all the way back to

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01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,520
the beginning

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01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,880
of history

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01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,360
and reconceive those

2101
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:40,800
accurately

2102
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:43,760
and rebuild our understanding

2103
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,800
of what this presence is because it is

2104
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,920
natural whether it's aliens or something

2105
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:52,000
else it is part of nature

2106
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:53,360
it wouldn't be here if it wasn't it

2107
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,560
couldn't be and it is extraordinary in

2108
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,719
that it does extraordinary things it has

2109
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,520
an extraordinary effect on our world

2110
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,520
and it is extraordinarily important so

2111
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,239
it's super natural what i'm hearing

2112
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,679
whitley is is

2113
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,080
we are in some sense in the driver's

2114
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:11,920
seat it's almost like the visitors have

2115
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,639
been banging on the big front door and

2116
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,639
we've unlocked the cat door

2117
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,960
you know well it's like

2118
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:20,639
you know the the further down the line

2119
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,440
we get uh in in pop culture

2120
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:26,480
you know machinations of meme per you

2121
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,199
know

2122
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,120
scattering these sub memes all over the

2123
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,840
place we have to be able to

2124
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,000
supply them with

2125
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,679
some sort of signal some sort of

2126
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,520
communication that hey

2127
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,159
at least on some level we're ready and

2128
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:42,000
that's got to come from the control

2129
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,000
control structure whether it's academia

2130
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,560
government military you know the the the

2131
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,199
thinkers the intelligentsia

2132
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:51,199
you're saying that we need to have that

2133
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:52,719
acknowledgement

2134
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,239
order to move forward and so it's not so

2135
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,480
much disclosure that we need we just

2136
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,040
need a simple acknowledgement well yeah

2137
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,840
i it doesn't have to be big it can be

2138
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,120
very tiny

2139
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,719
it doesn't have to be leslie is right

2140
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,840
about that

2141
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,520
if i'm right about what how she thinks

2142
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,040
this should unfold

2143
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,679
it can be very tiny and before

2144
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,000
supernatural there was nothing

2145
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,719
there there was no place to go to for

2146
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:20,320
the intellectual and scientific

2147
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,520
communities

2148
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,840
they didn't have anything to focus on

2149
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,080
the book provides that focus and it

2150
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,560
shows jeff's work in it as a

2151
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:29,600
as a

2152
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,480
in his

2153
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,040
comparative work that he does he shows

2154
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,520
exactly how to work with this material

2155
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:38,239
from an academic standpoint and if you

2156
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,440
read uh solving communion enigma and

2157
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,679
also some things that i say in

2158
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,199
supernatural

2159
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,199
there's a lot of information about just

2160
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,000
how the scientific community can go

2161
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:52,560
about looking at this from a scientific

2162
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,400
standpoint yeah but you have to approach

2163
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,719
them with the proper languaging with the

2164
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,639
proper gravitas with the proper

2165
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,560
groundedness that's not going to happen

2166
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,120
for them to break through their they've

2167
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,760
already judged this whole uh thing as

2168
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,480
ridiculous and well exactly and and

2169
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,000
they're going to continue to do that

2170
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,239
unless there is something

2171
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,320
that changes and that has to change i

2172
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,239
can't make that change that change has

2173
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:18,560
to come from the outside it has to come

2174
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,520
from

2175
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,080
someone like president hillary clinton

2176
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,719
saying something or as i said earlier

2177
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,400
suggested earlier someone in nasa

2178
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,600
admitting that

2179
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:29,679
a little corner of the truth

2180
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,760
from there we would go i mean you'll

2181
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:34,320
have the the influence media like the

2182
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,120
washington post and the new york times

2183
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,120
uh ignoring it as long as they can

2184
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,199
because you know they've been wrong for

2185
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,719
50 years and they're not going to want

2186
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,800
to be discredited in that way and i

2187
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,239
don't blame them i don't think they

2188
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,239
really care at this point no no they

2189
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,669
well they will in in the final analysis

2190
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:55,280
i would hope but

2191
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,880
essentially what we're looking for is a

2192
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,639
straw that's going to break the camel's

2193
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,199
back that's right and that could be just

2194
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:02,560
a simple

2195
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,840
event statement by somebody

2196
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:08,000
whether it's by design or inadvertently

2197
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,080
that will then open up the floodgates

2198
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,760
yeah it doesn't have to be a big i mean

2199
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,360
someone in the middle level of authority

2200
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,960
it won't take much to open these

2201
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,199
floodgates right now because

2202
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,760
i know a lot of people in the scientific

2203
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,960
community

2204
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,920
who

2205
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:23,840
are aware that there is something real

2206
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,800
here and are only waiting

2207
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,840
for that

2208
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,840
straw to drop onto the camel's back

2209
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:31,120
before they go

2210
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,800
running to their granting authorities

2211
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:34,239
looking for money

2212
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,080
and believe me it's not it is very close

2213
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,719
to happening and what's holding the damn

2214
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:43,440
closed right now is it two very simple

2215
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,040
and straightforward

2216
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,040
cultural artifacts one is

2217
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,040
the united states government and

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primarily the united states air force

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does not want to admit

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what it believes which is quite not

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correct that it made a mistake in the

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past

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that's number one number two

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the media

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does not want to admit that it bought

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into that

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into the lies and this is they're

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supposed to be

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the guardians of truth and they have

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been the guardians instead in this case

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01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,560
of the biggest lie in human history the

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robertson panel did its job very well

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01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,800
very well i knew you know speaking of

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01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,679
robinson panel i knew walter or roberts

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01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,920
he was president emeritus of noah when i

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01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:27,840
knew him and he had been

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01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,400
invited to be the chairman of project

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01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,080
blue book

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01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,560
before oh what's his name

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01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,719
became the chairman of it hector

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01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:39,280
yeah yeah in any case he said he turned

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it down because it was obvious from the

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beginning when they started talking to

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people in the air force that it was a

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01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:46,480
foregone conclusion there wasn't going

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01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:47,920
project blue book

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01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:50,800
he said as far as he was concerned the

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01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,560
the preface to project blue book had

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already been written before the

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committee was even convened so he didn't

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even want to bother with it

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01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,440
a real career killer

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01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,960
well yeah but here's the interesting

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01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:01,840
thing

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what the what the what the text says

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and the conclusion in the frontish piece

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of the book are two different things

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01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,719
the furnace piece says they didn't find

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anything of any interest in the air

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force is getting out of the business

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01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,360
which it did not do

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01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:19,280
but if you look at the text you found

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01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,639
you discovered that they found quite a

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01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,639
few things of interest and i'm sure

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01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,120
there are more that aren't in the text

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01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:27,840
right well the the publicized section uh

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01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,719
had

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70701 i think 701

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you know

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unknowns as they were

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01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:37,280
were labeled

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which is you know the um title of tracy

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01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,400
tormey and james fox's

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01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,400
project that's been laboring along for

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01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:49,040
quite a while for a documentary

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01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:50,080
yeah

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but you know nothing's going to

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basically change until

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somewhere that little of a door is

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open

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and i'm hoping i i think that the

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visitors have a lot to to do

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with whether or not that happens

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i don't think that the

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some secret place somewhere

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01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,320
that where the visitors sit down across

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a desk from some cat from the air force

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and say you're supposed to do this

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you're supposed to do that and tell the

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president this

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but i thought

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i do think they have ways of influencing

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us

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we're going to influence our listeners

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in this fashion

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for a moment and back with whitley

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strieber with gene and chris you're in

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thank you for listening to gcn

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[Music]

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this is jacquez

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01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,639
we continue with whitley strieber

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01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:10,880
gene steinberg chris o'brien but one

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01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:12,719
quick question whitley

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01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:13,679
you know

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01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:16,400
as far back as the 1950s we had a

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01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,520
promise

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01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:19,199
of disclosure

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01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,120
or some kind of revelation of something

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01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,920
that never ever ever seems to happen

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01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:24,880
yeah

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01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,679
so

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01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,520
what's happening now is this ever going

2417
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:30,320
to happen in our lifetimes well where we

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01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:32,560
are right now is this

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01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:33,760
we are

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01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:36,719
on a runaway train to environmental

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01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:38,880
collapse on a whole lot of different

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01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,000
levels

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01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:42,400
and with it is going to become is going

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01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,600
to come

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01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,000
ungodly chaos in the human community

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01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:47,920
across the planet

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01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,199
and in that context

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01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:53,520
i think it's quite possible that we will

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01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:54,880
also

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01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:57,600
end up one way or another

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01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,960
discovering

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01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:59,760
that

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01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:00,639
the

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01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,920
visitors are real or that something is

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01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:06,480
very extraordinary is happening here

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01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,679
at the same time that our world is

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01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,760
getting much smaller because it's the

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01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:14,080
environment is collapsing around our

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01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,520
ears

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01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,920
it is going to be getting much larger

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01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,760
because we are going to be realizing

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01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:22,480
that we are actually embedded in a much

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01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:25,920
larger much older and vastly conscious

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01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,360
reality which we knew nothing about or

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01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,080
or have we we have been misinterpreting

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01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,080
and trying to understand throughout all

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01:36:39,629 --> 01:36:36,400
of our history and there will come at

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01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:39,639
the same time two things

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01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,719
extraordinary upheaval in our societies

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01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,960
because of what is happening physically

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01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:46,639
in the world around us

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01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:49,679
and an extraordinary new insight into

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01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:54,400
what we actually are it is the energy of

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01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:55,520
this

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01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:57,920
dichotomy of these two things happening

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01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,400
at the same time is going to be

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01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,800
absolutely amazing

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01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,560
and it's quite possible

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01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:06,480
that the magnetic field of the planet

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01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,520
will go into a state of chaos then too

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01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:11,520
do you talk about interesting times that

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01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,880
would be hard to think of times that

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01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,239
could be more interesting than what

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01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:16,080
appears to be on its way

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01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:18,320
i absolutely agree in fact my recent

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01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:19,440
book

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01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,080
stalking the herd looks at the role of

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cattle we were talking about the

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mithraic cults and

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01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,080
uh you know bull worship and and cattle

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01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:30,719
worship earlier we just briefly touched

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01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,679
on that

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01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:33,840
i've written an entire book looking at

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01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,880
cattle

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01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:36,880
as being besides humans the most

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01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,880
detrimental environmental force on the

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01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:40,560
uh on the planet

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01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,600
and how

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01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,960
this

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01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:44,880
incestuous almost

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01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,000
symbiotic relationship with cattle is if

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01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:50,800
we can just solve that one

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01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:51,840
issue

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01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,880
uh of how cattle is degrading the

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environment

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01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,320
uh you know that that's going to go a

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01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:01,040
long way to help things but

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01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,000
this brings me up to the whole idea that

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01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,159
perhaps the visitors

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01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,119
could be some sort of collective

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01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:11,440
um sort of imperative

2492
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:14,800
that is being manifested by all of us

2493
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,400
slowly building through uh the millennia

2494
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:21,119
um to get us to get out of the cradle of

2495
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:23,199
humanity here on this planet and to go

2496
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,320
out and seed uh the cosmos and and to

2497
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,040
spread like a dandelion

2498
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:30,880
being blown off into the wind and all

2499
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:32,880
these little parachutes go out that we

2500
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,440
need to somehow get off this planet

2501
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,119
because we we're like a virus to the

2502
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:38,800
planet we have wonderful bio

2503
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,280
biodiversity here we have have this

2504
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,320
wonderful ecosystem that is just by

2505
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,280
every day we lose a species

2506
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:48,719
well yeah

2507
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,119
and so perhaps we are collectively

2508
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,280
manifesting this symbiotic relationship

2509
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:55,280
with the visitors who are helping draw

2510
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:57,760
us out into the cosmos to get us out

2511
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:58,400
there

2512
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:01,920
to expand uh humanity out in you know

2513
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,639
away from you know from the nest if it

2514
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:07,040
you know for lack of a better term well

2515
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,080
exactly

2516
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,639
and if you look at at uh people always

2517
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:13,199
say oh i don't believe in astrology it's

2518
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:14,400
ridiculous

2519
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:15,440
but

2520
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,480
somebody

2521
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,199
built a calendar a long count calendar

2522
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,280
that's called the zodiac

2523
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:24,320
and whoever did this understood a whole

2524
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:25,360
lot

2525
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:28,320
about the evolution of societies

2526
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,639
for example we've we're coming out of

2527
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:33,040
the age of pisces

2528
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:35,920
pisces is a little fish

2529
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:37,119
swimming

2530
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:42,159
fish is protected everything the fish

2531
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,199
needs

2532
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,920
is given to it by the water the fish is

2533
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,880
safe

2534
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:48,639
the fish is

2535
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:49,760
precise

2536
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,159
he's bound by the rules

2537
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,760
he is in other words he's a good

2538
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,600
christian he's a good muslim

2539
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,360
he's a good hindu

2540
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,239
the little fish is safe in the waters of

2541
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:01,920
of his reality

2542
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,320
then along comes aquarius and we're

2543
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,000
moving into the age of aquarius right

2544
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:08,639
now the water's poured out and the

2545
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,199
little fish ends up on dry land he's got

2546
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,600
gills he doesn't have any feet how can

2547
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:15,440
he survive

2548
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,000
well we're the fish we're just in the

2549
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,639
process of getting poured out

2550
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:22,639
at the same time

2551
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:26,960
it also can be said that this planet is

2552
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:28,080
a mother

2553
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:31,600
and the mother is very pregnant with

2554
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,320
her child us

2555
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,760
her womb

2556
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,880
burst

2557
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:40,880
and when they do

2558
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,600
out we come and then what do we do

2559
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,560
well

2560
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,719
i can tell you this her waters will

2561
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,679
burst

2562
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,840
there is no question whatsoever about

2563
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,480
that we will not stave off

2564
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,239
the environmental changes that are

2565
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:58,960
coming i have known that since the 80s

2566
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:00,400
since the early 80s when i wrote

2567
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:03,040
nature's end and i have been saying

2568
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:06,159
since then we need to accept this and we

2569
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:07,920
need to plan for it

2570
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,360
instead we divide it into two camps

2571
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,040
in each case

2572
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,360
crazy but in slightly different ways

2573
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,440
the environmentalist camp saying that we

2574
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:19,440
can change we can prevent this from

2575
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:21,040
happening altogether

2576
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:22,159
if we just

2577
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,280
change our

2578
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,360
our ways of living in profound and

2579
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,480
unworkable ways it's inevitable not true

2580
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,800
it's absolutely not true then the other

2581
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:33,280
side saying it isn't happening at all

2582
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,000
if we plan for it it would be a smoother

2583
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:38,719
transition but as it stands

2584
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,760
the baby's coming out and the baby

2585
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,199
ain't got

2586
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:45,760
anything going for him let's hope we

2587
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,560
have a midwife let's hope that's what

2588
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,440
the visitors are ah that that's a really

2589
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,760
good analogy um so where do you come

2590
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,840
down on the whole you know james

2591
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:56,880
lovelock

2592
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,239
idea of gaia being a super organism

2593
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:02,719
some sort of a force that's compelling

2594
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:04,880
us collectively

2595
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:07,440
to get off planet to go out and see the

2596
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:10,880
cosmos do you feel that there's uh a

2597
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,040
relationship between the super organism

2598
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,360
of this you know semi-closed system

2599
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:18,480
called earth or gaia and the visitors do

2600
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,679
you think that they're working together

2601
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,960
in concert

2602
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:24,480
or do you think that this is something

2603
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:25,280
that

2604
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:26,000
is

2605
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:30,880
sort of damage control

2606
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,119
i don't know

2607
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,520
what it means

2608
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,360
in this sense

2609
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,920
whether or not it's okay for us to go

2610
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,440
extinct

2611
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:43,040
this planet

2612
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:44,080
has been

2613
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,520
evolving for five billion years

2614
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:50,000
for a substantial portion of that time

2615
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,679
something on the order of three hundred

2616
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,920
million years and possibly a good bit

2617
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,199
longer

2618
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:58,400
life has been evolving on this planet

2619
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,119
and it has been uh

2620
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,360
blown out of the water many times there

2621
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,520
have been quite a few major extinctions

2622
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:07,040
five percent of species have they've

2623
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,840
gone extinct or i i think it's even

2624
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:10,320
higher than that it's 98 percent of

2625
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,159
species have gone extinct and when you

2626
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,719
find well well who hasn't gone extinct

2627
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,480
you know then you get the cockroaches

2628
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,960
and the various bacteria and things

2629
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:20,880
the ones who haven't gone extinct are

2630
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,159
the ones who go way under the radar we

2631
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:25,760
are big

2632
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:28,400
and we are vulnerable we're the kind of

2633
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:31,199
species that goes extinct most quickly

2634
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,719
because of our size

2635
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,960
the reason we didn't go extinct

2636
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,040
during whatever happened

2637
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:39,520
about 15 000 years ago

2638
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:43,040
is that we were smart enough to hide

2639
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:46,960
and we and and and we we went into the

2640
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:49,920
to to that upheaval naked and living in

2641
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,280
the trees

2642
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,600
we came out of it clothed and running

2643
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,119
across the

2644
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,840
the belt with weapons in our hands

2645
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,760
what will happen this time because it's

2646
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:01,760
gonna happen again

2647
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:04,639
we're going into this

2648
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:07,600
clothed with weapons in our hands

2649
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:10,639
what will we come out what state will we

2650
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,440
be in when we come out or is this the

2651
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:16,800
end for mankind in the physical world

2652
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,360
i don't know the answer to that question

2653
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,360
however i do know this

2654
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,320
the physical world is only an incident

2655
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:27,199
in the life of a human being only an

2656
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,719
incident

2657
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,639
and it may be that we are finished with

2658
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:33,040
this type of incident

2659
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:34,320
we're going to go on and do something

2660
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,320
else in some other way

2661
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:39,360
it sounds like transformation to me

2662
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,560
ideally

2663
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,520
well

2664
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:43,600
here's here's a good question um there's

2665
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:46,560
been kind of an upsurge in interest in

2666
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:49,520
ethiopians and uh

2667
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:52,719
how uh hallucinogenic substances and

2668
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:54,560
and uh of course the work of terence

2669
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:57,360
mckenna uh you know we're looking at uh

2670
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,199
graham hancock

2671
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:01,280
well i just want to get your your take

2672
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:04,320
on what role do you think psychedelics

2673
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,600
could play

2674
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:07,920
to help speed up any sort of

2675
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,639
communication or establish a a firmer

2676
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,639
foundation for a bridge between the

2677
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:14,560
visitors and ourselves and we'll get to

2678
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,480
that as soon as we get back from break

2679
01:45:20,290 --> 01:45:18,320
with gene and chris you're in the

2680
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:20,300
pericast

2681
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2688
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now there is the coming of the

2689
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,560
protectors a former military

2690
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

2691
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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2692
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,520
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2693
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,119
her distant planet are planning to

2694
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2695
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2696
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2736
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:49,270
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2737
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,960
standard of paranormal radio

2738
01:47:57,570 --> 01:47:54,239
and now

2739
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:57,580
here's gene steinberg

2740
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:04,470
so a long question there from chris

2741
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,520
about the influence of hallucinogenics

2742
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:09,360
it takes me back to the 60s i don't want

2743
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:12,400
to get into that into too much detail

2744
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:13,840
well i have

2745
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:16,639
personally never done hallucinogenics or

2746
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,040
anything i've never even smoked

2747
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,440
marijuana i was in a room once

2748
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,840
where people were smoking grass and it

2749
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:25,520
made me dizzy and i've it was not

2750
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,800
comfortable

2751
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,199
and so i've just never gotten involved

2752
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,440
in that and

2753
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:34,000
i would think that actually i would need

2754
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,840
considering what's happened to me i why

2755
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,840
would i spend the money on hallucinogens

2756
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:38,880
but

2757
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,880
uh the you can just grow them in your

2758
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:42,080
closet

2759
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:46,480
own i didn't need to grow them

2760
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,080
but

2761
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,000
in any case

2762
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,760
what worries me about the use of

2763
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,760
hallucinogens and i'm limited in my

2764
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,679
ability to respond because i have never

2765
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,320
done it i'm you know i'm like a

2766
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:01,199
priest advising someone on marriage you

2767
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:02,960
know here i

2768
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:06,639
would think that there is the danger

2769
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,600
that

2770
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,080
you may be looking at

2771
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:12,719
events that are exclusively inside the

2772
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:13,760
mind

2773
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,000
that the drug has

2774
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:19,040
generated and you can never know

2775
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,000
whether or not that's true there was a

2776
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,400
some very interesting research done

2777
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,320
at the university of new mexico i'm sure

2778
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,239
you're familiar with it rich gossman of

2779
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:30,800
course rick strassman yeah of course and

2780
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:33,119
he probably even had him on the show

2781
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,560
in any case

2782
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:36,800
one of the conclusions he initially came

2783
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,760
to

2784
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,080
was that the people in his uh program

2785
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,520
who were taking

2786
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,320
high doses of dmt under

2787
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,000
his supervision in a federally

2788
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:48,560
sanctioned program the first one in many

2789
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:49,600
years

2790
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,239
were actually observing

2791
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,560
the unfolding of another

2792
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,560
real world

2793
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,880
another presumably a parallel universe

2794
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:00,400
or something

2795
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:03,679
it's fascinating and maybe it's true

2796
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,560
i had an experience one time that may

2797
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,480
suggest the presence of

2798
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,560
a parallel universe

2799
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,960
and also much more than that because

2800
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:14,480
this is a real

2801
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,239
mind-bender

2802
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:18,719
i woke up in the middle of the night

2803
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,560
and you know about out-of-body

2804
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,880
experiences and bob monroe journeys out

2805
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:24,560
of the body and so forth

2806
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,199
well the body was out of me i was in bed

2807
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:29,280
but there was no one there it was just

2808
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:30,320
the bed

2809
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,280
i was out of my body but my body had

2810
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,040
gotten up and left

2811
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:37,199
leaving me behind my consciousness was

2812
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,350
oh wow now i've this is really a

2813
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:45,840
reversal i've lost my body what am i

2814
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:48,239
going to do where is it gone

2815
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,480
and i thought i'd better look for it and

2816
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,760
i got

2817
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,600
out of the bed i felt like i was getting

2818
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,440
up but i was invisible i couldn't even

2819
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,920
see my own body it didn't exist

2820
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,119
physically

2821
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:01,360
and as soon as i tried to move i

2822
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:03,920
immediately began to go down

2823
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,400
i went down through the ceiling

2824
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,880
and there was my body my son was asleep

2825
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,480
in his bed and there was a little boy

2826
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:12,080
there

2827
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,360
his little friend was with him they were

2828
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:15,280
in our country house they were in the

2829
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:17,119
bedroom below hours

2830
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,239
and

2831
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,119
he's sitting there up in the bed looking

2832
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,800
up at my body

2833
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,639
and they're talking

2834
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,560
then i'm in my body

2835
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,400
i have no idea he's looking at me

2836
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,560
expectingly expectantly like he expects

2837
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,880
me to say something else

2838
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:35,040
i don't know what to say

2839
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:37,360
so my son is now awake

2840
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,199
and so i say well goodnight boys and i

2841
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,199
go back upstairs

2842
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,440
and i sit on the bedside for a while

2843
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,679
thinking what in the world was that

2844
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:47,119
about

2845
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,159
morning comes i wake up i tell ann

2846
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:52,320
i told her everything that happened i

2847
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,119
made it i was religious about it

2848
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,080
and uh i told her all the details and we

2849
01:52:01,910 --> 01:52:00,320
go down to make breakfast we have no

2850
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,920
idea we're beyond saying oh it must have

2851
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,840
been some kind of a dream we just we

2852
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,679
just at this point we're just sort of

2853
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,920
rolling with this stuff

2854
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:08,880
and

2855
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:11,040
i don't i wonder what the boys will say

2856
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,560
and i don't even i'm thinking about how

2857
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:14,960
do i bring this up and

2858
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,440
you know i don't want to i don't want to

2859
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:19,199
say something that will confuse them or

2860
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:20,719
frighten them and i don't want to say

2861
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,480
something will cause them to

2862
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,119
to try to pull my leg or you know so i'm

2863
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:27,119
sort of turning that over in my mind all

2864
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:28,480
of a sudden their door bursts open they

2865
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,320
come running out and saying yelling

2866
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:31,920
quickly came down through the ceiling in

2867
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,480
the middle of the night

2868
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,360
and we're fairly floored

2869
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:39,760
and they tell us that they they heard

2870
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,159
this noise and then suddenly i came down

2871
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:45,119
through the ceiling my body i presumably

2872
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,440
followed it a little later

2873
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:48,719
so

2874
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:51,040
i said to them well what happened and

2875
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,560
they couldn't remember this we talked

2876
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,159
about something but we don't they don't

2877
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:56,320
remember what it was

2878
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,360
then

2879
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,000
that day i'm to take the little boy

2880
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,639
to his meet his father in paramus new

2881
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,800
jersey on route 17.

2882
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,639
he's got a house in the delaware water

2883
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,960
gap and we meet there to exchange kids

2884
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:10,239
it's summertime

2885
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,920
and to go back and forth between the

2886
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,679
country houses

2887
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:15,760
so we're going along and he's sitting in

2888
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,000
the parking lot of a diner i see his

2889
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,320
truck as we we go past we have to go to

2890
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:22,560
a little overpass and then back up it's

2891
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,679
a divided highway we've done it a

2892
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:25,440
million times it's no big deal

2893
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,320
i go into the exit to the overpass and

2894
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,239
it's not an overpass it's an underpass

2895
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:31,920
it goes down

2896
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,320
and i think what the world this isn't

2897
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,800
even where am i i've never seen this

2898
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:38,560
before and i know this area like the

2899
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,480
back of my hand

2900
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:43,440
i get off at the next exit

2901
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:46,880
immediately because i'm no idea how this

2902
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:48,639
happened or where i am

2903
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:51,840
we're in this very strange extremely odd

2904
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,960
neighborhood

2905
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:54,800
big trees big

2906
01:54:00,470 --> 01:53:57,760
lawns uh and these low

2907
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:00,480
sort of sandstone buildings way back up

2908
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,239
in the lawns with serpents uh in uh and

2909
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,360
bar relief on their surfaces and low

2910
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:10,480
uh uh arched doorways

2911
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:13,040
and the little boy starts trying to open

2912
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,960
the locks it's automatic locks in the

2913
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:17,520
and he keeps flipping his lock open and

2914
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,040
i keep closing it because i'm afraid

2915
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,960
he's gonna jump out because he's

2916
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,040
obviously reacting to this bizarre

2917
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,760
situation in panic

2918
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,599
i drive around helplessly in this

2919
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:30,480
neighborhood thinking what the hell am i

2920
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:32,239
up against here

2921
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:35,599
until i finally see in the distance

2922
01:55:25,109 --> 01:54:36,960
a

2923
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:25,119
the twilight zone

2924
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:26,320
so

2925
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:27,119
i

2926
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:01,599
to get uh from here to there but hell

2927
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:04,080
yeah no i don't and you can't you can't

2928
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,320
afford enough hallucinogens to get a

2929
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,480
jeep into this into the into a parallel

2930
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,320
universe anyway

2931
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:12,960
that's i mean remember we went in a car

2932
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,599
you were in a car i'm surprised that uh

2933
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:17,679
your your son's friend's parents would

2934
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:23,669
well there were some that never came

2935
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,119
back but this

2936
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:27,599
this the dad would take the boys to his

2937
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,480
house

2938
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:30,960
and he would explain to them how whitley

2939
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:31,760
is

2940
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:34,239
he would never actually say i'm a nut

2941
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:36,159
but he would say well whitley's got a

2942
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:38,080
very big imagination

2943
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:40,639
and you have to understand that in order

2944
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,119
to be with whitley and

2945
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:45,440
he would he would try to help my son

2946
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,320
understand this too that i was not

2947
01:56:52,589 --> 01:56:50,320
telling the truth but i also wasn't

2948
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:52,599
lying because i believed it

2949
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:55,599
unfortunately that's not the case

2950
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,599
there's too much

2951
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,040
there's just too much i'm sitting here

2952
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,040
with an implant in my ear

2953
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:03,199
and i'm sorry it's not a it's not an

2954
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:09,189
oh that's a lot to go through especially

2955
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:11,119
if you're a parent and you

2956
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:12,080
become

2957
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,760
friends with somebody

2958
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,040
and

2959
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:17,520
your kids spend time with them

2960
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,440
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2961
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like dogs start barking in the

2962
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,480
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2963
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3057
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your overall tax bill sometimes i can

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

3066
02:01:48,709 --> 02:01:45,119
comment or question about the paracast

3067
02:01:51,910 --> 02:01:48,719
send it to news at theparacast.com

3068
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3069
02:01:56,229 --> 02:01:53,760
and don't forget to visit our famous

3070
02:02:00,229 --> 02:01:56,239
paracast community forums at

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we have whitley strieber we're

3072
02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:04,560
discussing a lot of really strange

3073
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:06,880
experiences and driving into

3074
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:08,800
an alternate reality

3075
02:02:13,990 --> 02:02:11,360
is certainly one of course the other

3076
02:02:16,629 --> 02:02:14,000
crazy phenomenon we get with

3077
02:02:19,109 --> 02:02:16,639
mostly in connection with abductions is

3078
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,119
missing time but have you whitley

3079
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:21,119
streeper ever heard of an episode where

3080
02:02:24,629 --> 02:02:22,560
you have

3081
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:24,639
gained a time

3082
02:02:28,550 --> 02:02:26,480
where you seem to reach a place much

3083
02:02:29,830 --> 02:02:28,560
faster than you should

3084
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:29,840
um

3085
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:32,560
nothing in my experience comes to mind

3086
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,679
all right and the reason i mentioned

3087
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:36,159
that is one of our former co-hosts

3088
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:38,320
talked of an experience where he and his

3089
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:39,599
friend

3090
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,159
came home from boston

3091
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,960
to new york city drive of you know four

3092
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:46,719
hours and some odd minutes

3093
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:48,800
and i got there in two hours just to

3094
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,960
mention that in passing you know i'm

3095
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:52,800
sure you know if annie was still with me

3096
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:56,239
god bless my beautiful wife she probably

3097
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,000
would be able to tell you ten stories

3098
02:03:02,550 --> 02:03:00,719
about that from the letter she read

3099
02:03:04,790 --> 02:03:02,560
i know that she's mentioned something

3100
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:04,800
like that once or twice to me so i know

3101
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:07,040
there are stories out there

3102
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:09,199
but i don't recall that ever happening

3103
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:10,719
to me it may have

3104
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:12,960
i don't know i it if it did it didn't

3105
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:14,960
make much of an impression

3106
02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:17,840
yeah i i've had in my personal process

3107
02:03:22,229 --> 02:03:20,159
of being an investigator and

3108
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:22,239
interviewing people and fielding

3109
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:23,840
reports i've had

3110
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:26,880
two or three examples of that sort of a

3111
02:03:31,589 --> 02:03:29,199
compressed time where people arrive in

3112
02:03:33,669 --> 02:03:31,599
an impossible short time

3113
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:33,679
uh compared to a you know

3114
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:36,480
a regular uh trip from you know point a

3115
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:37,920
to point b

3116
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:39,840
but this kind of brings me to another

3117
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:41,119
area which

3118
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:42,719
i think is is

3119
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:44,960
a little bit lacking in the literature

3120
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:48,960
you don't see much uh mention about

3121
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,280
the connection or potential connection

3122
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:54,000
with the occult and the visitors for

3123
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:56,880
instance um the alamancha working uh

3124
02:04:01,510 --> 02:03:59,920
done by aleister crowley back in i think

3125
02:04:03,910 --> 02:04:01,520
1919

3126
02:04:06,390 --> 02:04:03,920
where he manifested through

3127
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:06,400
a series of very complicated rituals uh

3128
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:07,679
allegedly

3129
02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:11,199
a small diminutive being named lamb

3130
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:13,760
who as far as i know

3131
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:14,639
that

3132
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:19,360
is the earliest depiction of what we now

3133
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,000
commonly refer to as an alien gray

3134
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,560
all the way back in 1919 what role do

3135
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,560
you think the occult plays in any of

3136
02:04:31,669 --> 02:04:28,239
this do you think that there's

3137
02:04:34,070 --> 02:04:31,679
any sort of credence to uh

3138
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:34,080
jack parsons and l ron hubbard doing the

3139
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:36,639
babylon working in in the mojave in 46

3140
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:38,960
opening up a portal allowing

3141
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:41,760
the visitors to come through in mass

3142
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:43,520
for instance so where do you come down

3143
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:46,480
on the occult involvement

3144
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:47,920
well

3145
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:51,280
i think from my experience

3146
02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:52,880
that if you show

3147
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:54,800
an interest

3148
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:57,199
in the visitors in the right place and

3149
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:58,480
time

3150
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,599
they

3151
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:01,440
may respond

3152
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:02,320
but

3153
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:05,440
i think that we make a grave mistake

3154
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:07,520
when we assume

3155
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:09,360
too much about

3156
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:11,599
why they responded

3157
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,639
in other words when you say a loaded

3158
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:16,800
word like the occult

3159
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:19,360
then you immediately open up

3160
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:22,080
a whole phenomenology

3161
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:24,639
which is just that it's a phenomenology

3162
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:26,880
it's not necessarily

3163
02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:30,000
reflective of reality at all

3164
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,800
and he saw something that he drew a

3165
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,639
picture of

3166
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:36,560
and i've seen things that i've had

3167
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:39,280
pictures drawn up that look similar

3168
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:42,159
and does that mean we saw the same thing

3169
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:42,880
or

3170
02:05:47,589 --> 02:05:45,520
that using occult practices i might be

3171
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:47,599
able to conjure the visitors well

3172
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:48,480
actually

3173
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:51,040
yes it does and for the reason i stated

3174
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:52,800
in the beginning if you're in the right

3175
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,199
place and it's the right time

3176
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,119
and you do something

3177
02:06:02,629 --> 02:05:59,280
indicating an interest in them

3178
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:02,639
they might show up i mean john d had

3179
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:05,440
similar experience in a graveyard

3180
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,239
and the visitors to this day and at our

3181
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:10,400
cabin are heavily involved

3182
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:11,920
with the dead

3183
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:13,119
so

3184
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:14,159
uh

3185
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,480
yeah it's all of a piece

3186
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:18,719
but don't assume i think it's wrong to

3187
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:21,360
assume that because of the fact that

3188
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:23,360
you can occasionally

3189
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:25,599
draw their interest with occult rituals

3190
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:26,800
that that's

3191
02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:29,760
somehow or another means that the occult

3192
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:31,840
the whole all of the occult beliefs are

3193
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:32,800
true

3194
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:33,760
doesn't

3195
02:06:37,189 --> 02:06:35,599
it only means that you were in the right

3196
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:37,199
place at the right time

3197
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,079
making a noise that they noticed

3198
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:42,239
well you've mentioned uh several times

3199
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:45,440
now a connection with the dead now yeah

3200
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:47,360
this is something that we we discussed

3201
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:49,920
uh uh in our last show with

3202
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,320
eric ouellette um the author of

3203
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:54,880
illuminations which i highly recommend

3204
02:07:01,510 --> 02:06:59,599
as i do your book the supernatural um

3205
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,520
we're kind of going down the same sort

3206
02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:03,840
of uh parallel track here

3207
02:07:07,430 --> 02:07:06,000
and you mentioned the dead

3208
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:07,440
how

3209
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:09,760
explain your intuition about a

3210
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:11,520
connection with

3211
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:12,560
um

3212
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:17,280
uh

3213
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,440
you know the the whole idea of ghosts

3214
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:21,360
and that whole thing and how it may be

3215
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:23,599
connected or appears to be connected to

3216
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:24,960
the visitors

3217
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:26,560
and he walked out of her office one

3218
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,840
afternoon

3219
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:29,280
during the time when we were getting

3220
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:31,760
letters in huge bags from the post

3221
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:34,079
office and she and her secretary at that

3222
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,639
time lori barnes were reading them all

3223
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:38,719
she walked out and she said whitley this

3224
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:40,239
has something to do with what we call

3225
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,679
death

3226
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:43,679
and that was the

3227
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:45,280
critical insight

3228
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:47,840
because it led us

3229
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:50,800
into some fascinating material because

3230
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:53,360
she also had the ability

3231
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,400
to we we decided we would try having

3232
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:58,239
groups up at the cabin

3233
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:59,360
because

3234
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:00,719
we thought that the visitors were

3235
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:02,400
showing up there so much

3236
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:03,760
why wouldn't they show up with people

3237
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:05,840
other people there besides us i mean you

3238
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:06,840
know

3239
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:10,159
we so we decided to give it a try

3240
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:13,599
and had an uncanny ability

3241
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:15,840
to know who

3242
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:18,560
the visitors would react to

3243
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:20,320
and who they wouldn't

3244
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:22,079
and she picked people seemingly

3245
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:24,159
completely out of a hat

3246
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:25,679
raven dana

3247
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:28,960
uh was one uh lori barnes another lori i

3248
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:32,079
mean she how she found them i don't know

3249
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,920
but she did and she said well let's

3250
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:36,239
invite raven up to the cabin let's

3251
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,520
invite laurie

3252
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:39,520
other people she identified other people

3253
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:40,800
from time to time and we would have

3254
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:42,639
these groups up there

3255
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:44,800
and i give you an example

3256
02:08:47,660 --> 02:08:46,800
one of the groups

3257
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,670
at the cabin

3258
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,520
[Music]

3259
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,840
they're sleeping upstairs in the living

3260
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:54,480
room are four people

3261
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,400
and cots and uh

3262
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,920
so forth

3263
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:59,679
sleeping in quotes

3264
02:09:03,109 --> 02:09:01,280
downstairs in the basement there are two

3265
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,119
people who really are sleeping a couple

3266
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,960
who are not married but they

3267
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,560
are going to be and so they're in the

3268
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,880
private basement bedroom

3269
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,320
here's what happens during the night

3270
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:12,320
upstairs there is a magazine editor who

3271
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:14,400
is promised he is a very editor of a

3272
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:16,320
very prominent magazine

3273
02:09:19,990 --> 02:09:17,360
to

3274
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:20,000
write of his experience in the cabin if

3275
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:21,599
the visitors show up

3276
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:24,079
so he's there and they do

3277
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:26,639
the little blue guys i call kobolds in

3278
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:29,280
the in supernatural show up

3279
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:32,079
and they jump around in the living room

3280
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:34,159
and it's dark but the people can still

3281
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:35,440
see them

3282
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:37,599
and nobody can move but people everyone

3283
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,639
can still talk during this exhibition

3284
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,639
and it is literally that an exhibition

3285
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:44,639
they are literally walking and jumping

3286
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:46,960
around like as one of them put it in in

3287
02:09:51,189 --> 02:09:49,199
his uh

3288
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:51,199
the story he wrote about this they're

3289
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:55,199
jumping around like a bunch of acrobats

3290
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:57,520
meanwhile in the basement

3291
02:10:02,069 --> 02:10:00,320
the couple wakes up and what do they see

3292
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,079
standing at the foot of the bed is an

3293
02:10:06,430 --> 02:10:04,400
old friend of theirs who died

3294
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,440
in 1983 this is now

3295
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,719
1988 i guess

3296
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:10,480
in the mexico city earthquake of that

3297
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:11,360
year

3298
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:12,840
this is a good time to have a

3299
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:16,159
cliffhanger right the person appears

3300
02:10:19,750 --> 02:10:18,079
in front of their bed and we'll continue

3301
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,760
our next segment with whitley strieber

3302
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:21,440
and jean and chris you're in the

3303
02:10:34,189 --> 02:10:32,870
thank you for listening to gcn

3304
02:10:35,660 --> 02:10:34,199
be sure to visit

3305
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:35,670
gcnlive.com today

3306
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:37,440
[Music]

3307
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:39,040
this is dan pillow do you have the irs

3308
02:10:42,709 --> 02:10:40,880
money you can't pay are tax debts

3309
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:42,719
crippling you i've defended people from

3310
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:45,040
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

3311
02:10:48,550 --> 02:10:47,119
thousands and i can help you too i wrote

3312
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:48,560
the book on irs settlement and i'm

3313
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:50,239
telling you there's no such thing as a

3314
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:53,920
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

3315
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:56,159
get free of irs debt with the irs's new

3316
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:57,679
programs there's never been a better

3317
02:11:04,390 --> 02:11:00,560
time to solve your problem call 834 no

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[Music]

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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whitley i know our listeners are waiting

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with baited breath to hear more please

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okay so they and and the woman says she

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looks perfectly normal she's solid she

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doesn't look like a ghost or anything

3419
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and she says i want to tell you that i'm

3420
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all right

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which was the universal message we got

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and the next day everybody compares

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notes and it's an incredible event

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the magazine editor chickens out and

3425
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won't publish it because he says it

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would ruin his career

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so it doesn't get published and the

3428
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visitors

3429
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i think maybe they showed up because

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they wanted that published

3431
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and uh maybe i'll they'll be angry at me

3432
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:41,760
but they never showed any anger at me in

3433
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any case that was one example another

3434
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example

3435
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another group is at the cabin

3436
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:51,280
lori burns is among them draven dana is

3437
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,520
among them in this group laurie's out

3438
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walking in the afternoon

3439
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on the road in front of our cabin and

3440
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suddenly there's her brother standing

3441
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there

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and he says lori

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and she says

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gene or whatever his name was i'm i'm

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not sure i remember his name

3446
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,040
are you what are you doing here because

3447
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she had disappeared 20 years before and

3448
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:16,480
no one the fbi finally closed the case

3449
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:17,520
and

3450
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just left him as a missing person

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02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:22,320
and he says i want you to know that i'm

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all right

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and at first she thinks she doesn't

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realize he's even

3455
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a ghost if you could call him that

3456
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,559
because he's so solid looking and she

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starts to tell him to come down to the

3458
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cabin with her

3459
02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:38,559
but he as she walks toward him

3460
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he floats back into the woods and just

3461
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disappears

3462
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,639
she comes back to the cabin

3463
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:47,439
totally rattled and tells this story and

3464
02:16:51,270 --> 02:16:48,960
immediately says the visitors will show

3465
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:51,280
up tonight i would think

3466
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,280
which happens

3467
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:55,439
now this time

3468
02:16:58,830 --> 02:16:57,679
we have a low-light camera

3469
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on a

3470
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hallway in the

3471
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downstairs there's a filmmaker and his

3472
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wife in a bed in the living room it's a

3473
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:08,880
much more organized situation because i

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want badly to get something

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on video because in those days you know

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if you'd gotten some video imagery it's

3477
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not so easy to fake back then right and

3478
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:22,160
so uh there's no cgi or anything so you

3479
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know we're doing our best

3480
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,319
what happens is this

3481
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the middle of the night

3482
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,319
raven dana

3483
02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:32,240
is waked up by someone punching her

3484
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:33,599
shoulder which is the way the visitors

3485
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:35,280
used to always wake me up

3486
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:37,040
they do it differently now but they did

3487
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:38,719
that way then

3488
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:40,319
and uh

3489
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:43,920
she sees this what she initially thinks

3490
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:45,359
is a raccoon

3491
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on the bed because of the big eyes

3492
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but then she thinks wait a minute the

3493
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windows

3494
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,639
screens are all

3495
02:17:55,830 --> 02:17:54,479
screwed closed here it couldn't have

3496
02:17:58,629 --> 02:17:55,840
come in the window

3497
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:58,639
then she realizes what it is

3498
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:01,040
and she hears it either in her head or

3499
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,880
physically she's not sure which as i

3500
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:04,160
recall

3501
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:07,439
ask what can i do to help you

3502
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:09,519
and she says you could walk down that

3503
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:10,800
hall

3504
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:12,800
which of course would be in the in the

3505
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,240
camera

3506
02:18:19,270 --> 02:18:16,800
it goes out the door this little being

3507
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:19,280
with the big eyes the classic gray

3508
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:21,439
the next thing lori barnes and another

3509
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,359
woman are in the next bedroom and they

3510
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,679
are waked up by it the same way and they

3511
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,080
have a brief exchange with it

3512
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:30,160
then they end up waking up the next

3513
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:31,840
morning with no idea of how they even

3514
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:33,359
went to sleep

3515
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:35,439
same with lori

3516
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:37,120
what happens in the living room is the

3517
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:38,639
following

3518
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:41,519
about five o'clock in the morning

3519
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,240
the

3520
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,319
filmmaker who is you know

3521
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,000
typical skeptical super skeptical

3522
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:47,679
hollywood guy

3523
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:49,200
wakes up

3524
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:50,160
and

3525
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:51,439
sees

3526
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:53,280
beside the bed

3527
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:55,920
this little man with a huge head

3528
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:58,639
staring down at him it scares the hell

3529
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:00,080
out of him

3530
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:01,760
the little man

3531
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:03,280
turns into

3532
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:06,479
the egyptian god horus

3533
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,880
oh boy that's scary yeah

3534
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:10,559
at that point

3535
02:19:14,549 --> 02:19:13,200
he disappears but then my son and i who

3536
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,559
have been sleeping out in the woods

3537
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:17,040
because the house is so full of people

3538
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:20,399
come up across a little hill and we see

3539
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,920
the deck

3540
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:23,599
and then the backyard and beyond the

3541
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:26,160
backyard of woods

3542
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:28,240
out the front door and down the deck

3543
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,960
comes a translucent hooded figure about

3544
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:32,880
three or four feet tall about four feet

3545
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:33,679
tall

3546
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:36,160
goes across races off across the front

3547
02:19:40,389 --> 02:19:37,920
yard and goes darting away through the

3548
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,399
woods missing the trees at breakneck

3549
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,639
speed uncredible to see

3550
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:44,800
we go in the filmmaker and his wife are

3551
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:47,200
both on their feet they've been hit by a

3552
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:49,840
tremendous burst of heat they tell this

3553
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:51,359
story

3554
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:54,000
this is the end of this encounter

3555
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:58,880
now what happened it is a truly complex

3556
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:01,680
series of encounters at that cabin

3557
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:03,439
and there were others as well i won't go

3558
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:05,680
on i could go on all afternoon

3559
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,760
but i won't do that because i mean it's

3560
02:20:12,710 --> 02:20:10,000
pointless you've had a number of

3561
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,720
visitors over the years to the cabin

3562
02:20:17,469 --> 02:20:14,640
and um this question comes from

3563
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:17,479
ravensfee who's been a poster at

3564
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:19,359
forum.theparacast.com for the last

3565
02:20:22,870 --> 02:20:20,560
couple of years

3566
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:22,880
and she's wondering about a story that

3567
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,359
she heard that william s burrows of all

3568
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:27,920
people once came out to your cabin where

3569
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:29,840
the events described in communion took

3570
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:32,319
place up in the outside of new paltz in

3571
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,880
the hope of replicating your experiences

3572
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:37,120
did he really visit and what yeah when

3573
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:39,439
william came a number of times we knew

3574
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:42,160
him and i liked him a lot we we used to

3575
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,040
visit him in kansas city and uh lawrence

3576
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:47,520
also when he was out there he was out

3577
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:49,680
there twice i believe

3578
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,640
and nothing happened to him

3579
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,640
but some things happened to the

3580
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:56,479
assistant he had out there some fairly

3581
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:58,640
minor stuff little poltergeisty kind of

3582
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:59,520
things

3583
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:01,040
they never had an encounter

3584
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:02,560
unfortunately i wish they had had

3585
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:05,040
william wanted it so badly but there's

3586
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,280
nothing i could do annie made him a

3587
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:09,040
beautiful pot roast a magnificent

3588
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,319
chocolate cake

3589
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:12,240
because you know he wasn't doing heavy

3590
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:13,840
drugs anymore but he was doing a lot of

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marijuana and the cake was really

3592
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:17,439
appreciated

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he would have whipped out his glock and

3594
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:20,960
tried to take it out

3595
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:24,000
no he hated glocks are you kidding oh we

3596
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:25,600
used to fight about guns i used to

3597
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:27,359
torture you he was a smith and wesson

3598
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:29,520
guy yeah well he didn't like glocks and

3599
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:31,600
i used to talk to him about how you know

3600
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:33,120
i would say you know i love glocks

3601
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,840
they're so light and so great oh

3602
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:37,359
glocks i

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02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,840
why do you always are you trying to

3604
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,200
torture me

3605
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:43,439
you know he was not a glock fan

3606
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:45,680
okay well here's another question uh

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02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:47,120
we're trying to

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02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,560
whitley you have no idea how many

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questions uh your announcement of your

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visit has prompted here at forum.paracas

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but sue

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is interested she asked do you think the

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02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,960
narrative of the other as told by

3614
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:02,880
yourself and other experiences in the

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02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,240
media today

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02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,720
have or will ultimately

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result in the shaping or emergence of

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broader social movements or institutions

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02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,760
and would that be a good thing or a bad

3620
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:15,840
thing this kind of harkens back to the

3621
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:18,080
idea of you know the whole idea of uh

3622
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:20,319
evolution of maybe a 21st century

3623
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:21,439
religion

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02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:22,880
supplanting

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the outmoded control structures of

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religious

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02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,280
institutions in the past we don't need

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02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,280
another religion we've done that too

3629
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:33,280
much already and part of what

3630
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:35,359
supernatural is about is to try to

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deflect that because it could answer it

3632
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:41,600
could happen it definitely could happen

3633
02:22:44,790 --> 02:22:43,920
well it worries me a lot because

3634
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,800
let's

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02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:47,120
end that part of history and get past

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02:22:51,030 --> 02:22:48,479
those

3637
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,040
that tendency on our part

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02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,000
to connect dots that do not actually

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02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:56,479
necessarily have lines between them

3640
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,200
right like that we talked about the

3641
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:01,520
occult a little while ago and

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02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:02,960
how if

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02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:04,800
aleister crowley

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conjured a visitor up in an occult

3645
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:10,240
ritual then they must be demons

3646
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:13,200
uh let's make the cut as jeff as i said

3647
02:23:17,510 --> 02:23:14,880
earlier and as jeff says says in the

3648
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:17,520
book let's not do that anymore

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02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:19,760
and and that doesn't mean i'm in league

3650
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:21,680
with demons to anybody who's listening

3651
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:24,720
to this who is of that ill it means that

3652
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,359
you should be in league with yourself

3653
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:29,359
and ask a few questions about the world

3654
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around you rather than indulging

3655
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,800
assumptions that may or may not be true

3656
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:36,880
so in other words what you're saying is

3657
02:23:42,469 --> 02:23:41,040
any sort of colonization of ideas

3658
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,479
spirit

3659
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,399
inclination

3660
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:46,880
may be detrimental that this ultimately

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is a personal

3662
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:50,720
uh connection to

3663
02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:52,960
the others and that no i'm not saying

3664
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:56,399
that at all okay okay

3665
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:58,960
before we have the

3666
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:01,439
answer let's just continue and wrap up

3667
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:03,840
the segment we have one more left

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02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:06,720
we have whitley strieber he's author

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with jeffrey kreipel of

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the supernatural we'll tell you a bit

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more about the book and how to get a

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copy in our final segment with gina and

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02:24:25,020 --> 02:24:19,390
chris you're in the paracast

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listening to the paracast the gold

3786
02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:04,469
chris you sound much calmer this time

3787
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:06,080
whitley you were about to provide an

3788
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:07,840
answer yeah

3789
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:08,880
let's

3790
02:29:13,429 --> 02:29:11,280
try to look at this objectively and we

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02:29:16,630 --> 02:29:13,439
can objectively

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02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:16,640
it is a social force

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02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:18,080
it is also

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part of the physical of the natural

3795
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world not necessarily the physical world

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the natural world in some way that we do

3797
02:29:29,270 --> 02:29:27,200
not yet understand

3798
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,280
rather than assuming it's something a

3799
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:31,520
personal thing or that it has reference

3800
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:32,640
to some

3801
02:29:39,429 --> 02:29:35,520
idea about it that we've had in the past

3802
02:29:40,710 --> 02:29:39,439
let's use our tools of analysis at every

3803
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:40,720
level

3804
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:44,640
and figure out some way of looking at it

3805
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:46,800
that is consistent

3806
02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:48,560
and above all

3807
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:50,479
real because

3808
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,840
so far

3809
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:54,080
we've got a lot of unreality and

3810
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:56,880
suppositions going on angels

3811
02:30:00,309 --> 02:29:58,080
demons

3812
02:30:03,389 --> 02:30:00,319
gods devils

3813
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,399
aliens who knows

3814
02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:05,359
interdimensionals that's another one of

3815
02:30:08,469 --> 02:30:07,280
these meaningless words that people use

3816
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:08,479
all the time

3817
02:30:13,510 --> 02:30:12,479
who knows what is objectively true

3818
02:30:15,429 --> 02:30:13,520
but

3819
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:15,439
something is

3820
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:19,200
that's the whole point of supernatural

3821
02:30:24,550 --> 02:30:20,960
it's natural

3822
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:24,560
they are part of nature just like we are

3823
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:27,920
let's find out what that means

3824
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:29,760
objectively

3825
02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:30,880
finally

3826
02:30:37,030 --> 02:30:34,560
step past the history of religions

3827
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:37,040
and begin a new history

3828
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:44,309
i'm all for that

3829
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:46,720
yeah of course you are but you know who

3830
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:48,960
cares you go into a bookstore you will

3831
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:50,960
not find supernatural

3832
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:53,040
you will find if you ask the publisher

3833
02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:55,120
that it's selling very poorly if at all

3834
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:57,439
i mean there's you know 23 people out

3835
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,880
there have read it

3836
02:31:04,469 --> 02:31:01,120
and why is that

3837
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:04,479
because it doesn't play to anybody's

3838
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:07,359
cherished beliefs

3839
02:31:13,429 --> 02:31:10,319
right alien abductee no

3840
02:31:15,910 --> 02:31:13,439
the religious extremists know

3841
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:15,920
the people who will

3842
02:31:21,990 --> 02:31:18,640
people want things to play to their

3843
02:31:24,790 --> 02:31:22,000
belief systems and this doesn't do that

3844
02:31:26,710 --> 02:31:24,800
because it doesn't do it

3845
02:31:28,950 --> 02:31:26,720
it's not going to be popular

3846
02:31:32,550 --> 02:31:28,960
but it's not there to be popular it's

3847
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:32,560
there to be used if the visitors decide

3848
02:31:36,790 --> 02:31:35,280
to open the door a little bit more

3849
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:36,800
okay

3850
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:38,080
let's

3851
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:39,040
end

3852
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,040
that part of history

3853
02:31:46,550 --> 02:31:44,000
and start a new part of history

3854
02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:46,560
a part of history in which

3855
02:31:50,150 --> 02:31:47,920
we

3856
02:31:52,309 --> 02:31:50,160
address this unknown

3857
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:52,319
objectively

3858
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:54,399
and we begin to see it

3859
02:32:04,630 --> 02:31:55,120
as

3860
02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:04,640
suppositions and superstitions

3861
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:06,160
i i should point out you were mentioning

3862
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:08,720
very briefly this is not necessarily on

3863
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:10,240
the best seller list and i'm looking at

3864
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amazon

3865
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:13,040
and i think of the time i used to write

3866
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,160
computer

3867
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:16,319
instruction books and i think they did a

3868
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,920
tiny bit better

3869
02:32:21,270 --> 02:32:19,840
yeah it was this isn't going to be on

3870
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:21,280
the bestseller list

3871
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:24,000
this is not going to be anywhere and yet

3872
02:32:27,670 --> 02:32:25,520
but of course if

3873
02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:27,680
if something changes if if the book does

3874
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:31,120
its job which is not to be read by a lot

3875
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:32,399
of people who

3876
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:34,319
it who won't read it because it doesn't

3877
02:32:38,630 --> 02:32:36,840
serve their exist pre-existing belief

3878
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:38,640
systems uh

3879
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:40,960
if it does its job and does provide the

3880
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:43,359
ground for the visitors that

3881
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:45,760
i'm quite certain that they need and are

3882
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:47,200
looking for

3883
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:48,080
then

3884
02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,680
in the end it will be on the bestseller

3885
02:32:54,070 --> 02:32:51,359
list believe me

3886
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,080
right but before then it's just gonna

3887
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,080
knock along and they taught me an awful

3888
02:33:00,230 --> 02:32:58,399
lot of things they taught me about

3889
02:33:01,429 --> 02:33:00,240
cultural background and cultural

3890
02:33:03,590 --> 02:33:01,439
foreground

3891
02:33:06,309 --> 02:33:03,600
and i'm in the cultural background now i

3892
02:33:09,429 --> 02:33:06,319
was in the foreground briefly in order

3893
02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:09,439
to sound a certain note and to draw

3894
02:33:13,510 --> 02:33:11,760
uh the abduction experiences and the

3895
02:33:14,790 --> 02:33:13,520
close encounter experiences into

3896
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:14,800
consciousness into people's

3897
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:17,040
consciousness which i did

3898
02:33:21,190 --> 02:33:19,200
since then i have been retreated into

3899
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:21,200
the cultural background and i mean i'm

3900
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:24,240
i'm i'm in deep backstory now

3901
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:26,880
this book is deep background

3902
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,840
and it's it's their call i've done what

3903
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:31,439
i was asked to do and i've done it

3904
02:33:35,190 --> 02:33:32,640
correctly

3905
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:35,200
the book is a correct

3906
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:37,040
it is done right

3907
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:40,880
it will provide the grounding needed

3908
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:43,920
for the intellectual community if they

3909
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,000
come forward if the visitors come

3910
02:33:50,230 --> 02:33:48,479
forward so now they can if they want to

3911
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:50,240
and it's up to them i don't even think

3912
02:33:54,070 --> 02:33:51,600
about whether or not they will it's not

3913
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:54,080
my business well the book is very

3914
02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:56,399
tricksterish in many ways because it

3915
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:00,080
never it's very material it it doesn't

3916
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:03,680
come down firmly here or there and when

3917
02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:05,840
it does it's to illustrate that it

3918
02:34:10,230 --> 02:34:08,000
shouldn't be here or shouldn't be there

3919
02:34:11,910 --> 02:34:10,240
and that to me is very liminal and very

3920
02:34:13,670 --> 02:34:11,920
tricksterish and i think

3921
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:13,680
the mechanism of

3922
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:15,439
you know the trickster archetype and

3923
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:16,640
culture

3924
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:19,760
is a catalyst for change it topples um

3925
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:22,319
you know old outmoded uh cultural

3926
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,680
structures um in in

3927
02:34:29,910 --> 02:34:27,840
entrenched powers

3928
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:29,920
structures and and that sort of thing

3929
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:31,520
and that's what i really liked about the

3930
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:34,080
book is that it keeps you on your toes

3931
02:34:38,230 --> 02:34:35,920
it makes you always

3932
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,240
second-guess and question

3933
02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:40,640
everything that you have preconceptions

3934
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:43,040
about when it comes to this subject and

3935
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:44,960
that i think that's invaluable for

3936
02:34:49,270 --> 02:34:47,040
people it makes people do exactly what

3937
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:49,280
they don't like doing annie was quite

3938
02:34:53,270 --> 02:34:50,720
right she used to call me a trickster

3939
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:53,280
coyote and that's exactly what i am i am

3940
02:34:57,030 --> 02:34:55,600
a coyote and i'm a real trickster it's

3941
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:57,040
much goes much deeper than you may

3942
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:00,800
imagine uh as i say i didn't i didn't

3943
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:03,280
write this uh in hopes of making a

3944
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:05,680
bestseller i i wrote this in hopes of

3945
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:08,720
making ground for us to stand on if the

3946
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:10,479
visitors

3947
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:11,439
meet us

3948
02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:14,560
uh a little bit down the road as i think

3949
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,160
they very well may

3950
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:17,840
whitley street bro i know our listeners

3951
02:35:20,950 --> 02:35:19,359
are going to want to find more of your

3952
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:20,960
information i guess they could just

3953
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:22,560
google you

3954
02:35:27,030 --> 02:35:24,800
my latest activity i went to a ufo

3955
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:27,040
conference i got my car spat on

3956
02:36:02,389 --> 02:35:31,990
i

3957
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:02,399
professors

3958
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:05,520
of in in the field of mythology in the

3959
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:08,479
world so they didn't review it at all

3960
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:11,680
instead they dumped on my next alien

3961
02:36:15,910 --> 02:36:14,640
hunter novel in its ridiculous painfully

3962
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:15,920
condescending

3963
02:36:20,309 --> 02:36:18,000
lie of a review

3964
02:36:21,750 --> 02:36:20,319
and that will keep happening you know

3965
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,760
whitley strieber

3966
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,080
is there to be bullied he was a liter

3967
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:26,000
he's literary fraud so we can kick him

3968
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:28,240
around and believe me

3969
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:31,520
practically everybody behind a pen

3970
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:34,399
is in one way or another a bully

3971
02:36:39,349 --> 02:36:36,560
and don't think it's different it is

3972
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,359
there's a lot of big egos out there

3973
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:41,600
we hope we haven't bullied you on this

3974
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,600
not at all so it's been a good interview

3975
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:45,439
on the contrary i mean i say behind i

3976
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:47,600
met a media pen i should have added that

3977
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:49,040
word and i knew as i was saying i don't

3978
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:50,960
mean everybody i mean but if you're

3979
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:53,520
writing reviews for a magazine instead

3980
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:55,840
of writing books you're frustrated right

3981
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:57,359
they won't give you a book deal i

3982
02:37:03,990 --> 02:37:02,070
hey let me tell our listeners you can

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02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:04,000
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02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:05,520
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02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:10,000
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02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:11,760
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02:37:14,630 --> 02:37:12,640
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02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:14,640
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02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,399
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3991
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4022
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02:38:32,590 --> 02:38:28,479
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4026
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:36,880
the supernatural

4027
02:38:41,590 --> 02:38:39,920
co-author is whitley strieber whitley

4028
02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:41,600
it's been too long and i hope we have

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02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:43,520
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02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:45,680
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02:39:00,710 --> 02:38:57,830
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